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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Show evidence of this "growing number."



    Erm, no, this isn't true.
    Oh? Prove it.

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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    There is in fact a movement among members of the Muslim community to have recognition of Sharia law as an option in civil court. If all those concerned freely choose to have their civil disputes decided on by a court with different rules that is perfectly fine. As long as the secular option is the default I see no issue with it.
    So, it a man chops off his daughter's head, claiming the right to do so according to his religion, you'll be cool with him walking on the murder charges?

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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, it a man chops off his daughter's head, claiming the right to do so according to his religion, you'll be cool with him walking on the murder charges?
    And this has happened in the US when?
    It is likely to happen in the US when?

    When has anything even remotely similar to the situation you've described ever happened in the US?
    When have we allowed decapitators to walk because of religious grounds?

    The above doesn't strike you as a far-fetched and hysterical worry?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, it a man chops off his daughter's head, claiming the right to do so according to his religion, you'll be cool with him walking on the murder charges?
    Since when was murder a civil matter in the USA?
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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Looking into this more there is some legitimacy to the demand for legislation:

    A New Jersey family court judge's decision not to grant a restraining order to a woman who was sexually abused by her Moroccan husband and forced repeatedly to have sex with him is sounding the alarm for advocates of laws designed to ban Shariah in America.

    Judge Joseph Charles, in denying the restraining order to the woman after her divorce, ruled that her ex-husband felt he had behaved according to his Muslim beliefs -- and that he did not have "criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault" his wife.
    Source: Fox News

    Obviously some judges need to be explicitly told that religious law is not legitimate in secular court.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, it a man chops off his daughter's head, claiming the right to do so according to his religion, you'll be cool with him walking on the murder charges?
    I said civil court, not criminal court.
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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, it a man chops off his daughter's head, claiming the right to do so according to his religion, you'll be cool with him walking on the murder charges?
    That's not an area where where civil court would even come into play.
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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Looking into this more there is some legitimacy to the demand for legislation:
    Source: Fox News

    Obviously some judges need to be explicitly told that religious law is not legitimate in secular court.
    The actual document is hard to find. the court that over turned the appeal said that:
    "In this action pursuant to the Prevention of Domestic Violence Act (PDVA), we held that the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment does not require a Family Part judge to exempt defendant, a practicing Muslim, from a finding that he committed the predicate acts of sexual assault and criminal sexual contact and thus violated the PDVA.
    We also found that the judge was mistaken in failing to enter a final restraining order in the matter."
    The issue was a poor interpretation of the 1st amendment rather than use of Sharia law as precedent.




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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Of course it does, plus everything lifted from the Bible....
    And what is asinine about requiing American judicial decisions to be based on state and national law?

    Why, nothing. Nothing at all.

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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    There is in fact a movement among members of the Muslim community to have recognition of Sharia law as an option in civil court. If all those concerned freely choose to have their civil disputes decided on by a court with different rules that is perfectly fine. As long as the secular option is the default I see no issue with it.
    If two parties to a dispute do not seek resolution of the dispute in state and federal law, there's no point in the dumb asses going to court, they can got to their local witch doctor who can gut a chicken for them instead.

    There's absolutely no reason any duly elected or appointed American judge should be conversant with the intricacies of anything except American law and precedents. Decisions made in France or Zimbabwe or Saudi Arabia are simply not relevant to any case brought before a court in the United States.

    Allowing litigants to demand adudication in some other code system immediately opens the requirement that the judges must be conversant in those alien systems or the rights of the litigants are being violated.

    It's all nonsense. American law is supreme in the United States, anyone that doesn't like that has to examine the reasons they came here. One special feature about the United States is that no one is tied to the country with a bungee cord, they can always leave if they don't like how things are done here.

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    Re: Texas Legislature considers banning courts from recognizing foreign religious, cu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    And what is asinine about requiing American judicial decisions to be based on state and national law?

    Why, nothing. Nothing at all.
    Nothing asinine about that, but that is not what is happening. The wording of these laws have in most cases been so poor... basicly written by idiots, that they are so vague that they do ban pretty much anything influenced by "international or religious" law.. which is pretty much the whole freaking US legal system.
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