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Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

A joint session of Congress certified the results of the electoral college on January 6, 2009.

That means they counted votes.

It doesn't mean they did a detailed records search to verify the Natural Born Citizen requirement.
 
Because it's basically written to exclude him.

Since you assert Obama is a natural born citizen you cannot claim a requirement to provide proof the candidate is a natural born citizen is designed to exclude Obama.

Your statement confirms the existence of doubt in your mind over the veracity of Obama's citizenship pretenses.

For example, it specifies that certification of a Baptism or ceremonial circumcision is acceptable. Now if a person's parents are an atheist and a not exactly practicing Muslim, what do you think the chances are that they are baptized as an infant, or circumcised by a Rabbi?

Then that aspect of the law is invalid. The demand that an applicant provide a real, genuine, certified birth certificate avoids the pitfalls of your example, which was, in fact, a valid argument that the Mayor was surprised to see coming from you. Which website provided it for you?

Don't you think that if this was a great conspiracy, that they would have been able to whip up a fake long form certificate? So far, we've heard that the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT OF HAWAII is in on this. Including the Republican party. Assuming that were true, don't you think that both major parties and everybody that works for the State government would have been able to whip something up if they worked together on it?

Yes, the Mayor thinks that the Obama gang has had sufficient time to finally make a real fake birth certificate to replace the one they provided in 2008, but since any real-looking fake they provide will make the fake-looking fake they already provided look fake, the Obama administration and his cadre of Useful Idiots will be out in force protesting a state's right to set it's own ballot access requirements.
 
Arizona isn't deciding if a candidate meets federal requirements for president, per se.

Arizona is establishing a ballot access requirement for candidates seeking a slot on the Arizona ballot, one which is no different than the state requiring the candidate have a minimum number of signatures on the petition, or establishing a filing deadline, all of which vary among the states.

I agree so far. If Arizona wishes to impose a natural-born citizen requirement to be listed as president on Arizona's ballot, it would (probably) pass constitutional muster.

Mayor Snorkum said:
Requesting a candidate provide proof of birth in the United States is not by any measure an undue burden on anyone.

Well, now we're talking about something different. You can be a natural-born citizen and not be born in the United States. If Arizona wanted to impose a requirement that all presidential candidates on the Arizona ballot were born in the United States, they'd probably run into some Equal Protection issues just for imposing that requirement.

But as for PROVING natural-born citizenship: If certain classes of people are generally less able to provide that proof than others (due to their age, race, income level, or place of birth), it constitutes an undue burden and violates the Equal Protection clause.
 
That means they counted votes.

It doesn't mean they did a detailed records search to verify the Natural Born Citizen requirement.

That joint session of Congress is when the federal government validates the election as legitimate, and the President-Elect and VP-Elect as eligible to serve. If there are any objections to the results of the electoral college (such as "I object to the electors from Ohio choosing Barack Obama as president, on the grounds that he is not a natural-born citizen"), this is when they are dealt with. Congresspeople need to make a written objection, get it signed by one senator and one representative, and present it to the President of the Senate (the VPOTUS) during the joint session.

If a written objection is signed and presented by one senator and one representative, then it is read before the joint session and Congress will hear the arguments and vote on it. If they vote to uphold the electors, then they move on. If they vote to overturn the electors (which has never happened to my knowledge), then the case would most likely end up before the Supreme Court.

But in any case, the federal government most certainly DOES weigh in on whether or not a person is eligible to be president. They didn't do a "detailed records search to verify the natural born citizen requirement" because no one in Congress filed an objection to Obama's election on those grounds during the joint session.
 
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Sorry but the problem is that Obama's father was not a citizen. If Obama was born in the Lincoln bedroom he wouldn't be a natural born citizen and eligible for Article 2 Section 1. He was born a dual British Citizen. That was never the intent of the founders at the adoption of our constitution especially after we just finished a war with England. There was no way they were going to take a chance for a future president to be born with a allegiance to another nation.

That's BS. My mother never accepted American citizenship (she was a British Jew), but I am definitely a 100 percent, homegrown natural born American. I am glad I don't know you in real life, because, if I did, I would knock your nose off if you called me anything else.

Finally, I have been at Debate Politics for almost 6 years. Congratulations. You are the very first person to go on my ignore list. All I have seen you post since you got here is conspiracy lunacy, and I have had enough of it.
 
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Yes, the Mayor thinks that the Obama gang has had sufficient time to finally make a real fake birth certificate to replace the one they provided in 2008, but since any real-looking fake they provide will make the fake-looking fake they already provided look fake, the Obama administration and his cadre of Useful Idiots will be out in force protesting a state's right to set it's own ballot access requirements.

So here's this Conspiracy. You've been planning since 1961 to make this kid born in Kenya the President of the United States. You've smuggled him into Hawaii, and convinced both major parties to go along with this Socialist scheme.....And nobody thought to make a fake long form Birth Certificate?

This is the most inept conspiracy in history.
 
Yes, the Mayor thinks that the Obama gang has had sufficient time to finally make a real fake birth certificate to replace the one they provided in 2008, but since any real-looking fake they provide will make the fake-looking fake they already provided look fake, the Obama administration and his cadre of Useful Idiots will be out in force protesting a state's right to set it's own ballot access requirements.
So what's the point in providing the long form if it's not going to settle anything or change minds?
 
All I have seen you post since you got here is conspiracy lunacy, and I have had enough of it.
Well, to be fair there have also been incomplete quotes taken out of context mixed in with all that.
 
You're assuming President Obama hasn't already done that? If so, why?

Why? obviously PB theres still lingering doubt that for two years Obama has refused to make go away. He couldve put this to bed long long ago...but he has not. Well known liberals like Bob Beckel and others have called for Obama to prove his birthplace and get this over themselves and he will not.
Im not a birther, hes been president over two years and hes already started running for his second term...I just think its dumb he didnt fix this once and for all a long time ago and shut everyone up
 
Why? obviously PB theres still lingering doubt that for two years Obama has refused to make go away. He couldve put this to bed long long ago...but he has not.
I just think its dumb he didnt fix this once and for all a long time ago and shut everyone up
Yes, the Mayor thinks that the Obama gang has had sufficient time to finally make a real fake birth certificate to replace the one they provided in 2008, but since any real-looking fake they provide will make the fake-looking fake they already provided look fake, the Obama administration and his cadre of Useful Idiots will be out in force protesting a state's right to set it's own ballot access requirements.
I think there's good reason to believe that showing whatever documentation would not "shut everyone up" and make it go away.
There's just too much of thrill in thinking that you're on to something that the rest of the world/mainstream/whatever just doesn't get.
 
The law is unnecessary, I am sure when a candidate files to run for president, the candidate must file the proper documentation at the Federal level. Determining who can legally run for president is not a right states have.

Can you confirm this to be the case? I would, in fact, be surprised if it is as the elections for ELECTORS are essentially state affairs and not an affair of the federal government...
 
Irrelevant. It's up to the FEDERAL government to determine if candidates meet the FEDERAL requirements for president. If individual STATES want to impose their own requirements in addition to these, they are able to do so (to a certain extent). So if Arizona wants to impose a natural-born citizenship requirement of its own, or a non-polygamy requirement of its own, it would probably be able to do so. Those two requirements would be functionally identical; the fact that the US Constitution requires one and not the other doesn't matter, because in this case it would be an individual state imposing them both.

The problem the state will encounter lies in imposing an undue burden of proof on someone. You can't require a birth certificate if certain classes of eligible people are going to be less able to produce one than others.

The state of Arizona is not imposing a new requirement to be president of the United States. It is merely codifying means to verify that said person actually meets the qualifications that are outlined in the Constitution of the United States. Elections for electors are STATE affairs and as such, the state has the right to verify that any candidate meets the requirements. No potential candidate who does NOT meet the requirements should be allowed to register in ANY state. This law merely gives election officials in the states the means to verify eligibility. Nothing more.
 
Never heard of him. He probably wasn't even on the federal government's radar because he didn't win and had no chance of winning. The states are in charge of balloting, the federal government is in charge of verifying federal requirements to be president.

Are you sure about this? Care to provide evidence of this claim as it is quite central to the argument that this proposed Arizona law is not needed...
 
Well, now we're talking about something different. You can be a natural-born citizen and not be born in the United States. If Arizona wanted to impose a requirement that all presidential candidates on the Arizona ballot were born in the United States, they'd probably run into some Equal Protection issues just for imposing that requirement.

But as for PROVING natural-born citizenship: If certain classes of people are generally less able to provide that proof than others (due to their age, race, income level, or place of birth), it constitutes an undue burden and violates the Equal Protection clause.

Does anyone know if a Consular Report of Birth would be accepted under the Arizona law? This is legally accepted as valid as any birth certificate issued in the United States of someone born a U.S. citizen.
 
I just think its dumb he didnt fix this once and for all a long time ago and shut everyone up
Why should he care? And why should he shut everyone up. The way I see it, he benefits by Republicans and Conservatives sounding crazy. And now, thanks to Donald Trump, the Tea Party will likely become linked with the birfers.
 
A specific exception was written into the Constitution for them that does not apply to President Obama...
That exception separates naturalized Americans from natural born Americans.
 
Do any of you think Obama is a 'Native Born Citizen' instead of a 'Natural Born Citizen'?
 
Do any of you think Obama is a 'Native Born Citizen' instead of a 'Natural Born Citizen'?

I have yet to see any evidence that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen, only speculation that he is not. Why should I believe something without any evidence to support it?
 
Do any of you think Obama is a 'Native Born Citizen' instead of a 'Natural Born Citizen'?

Are you suggesting he was un-naturally born? And Liberals get accused of thinking he's Jesus....
 
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