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    Re: *Breaking News* - Mainstream Media Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Bir

    Anyone born in the USA would have no problems with the requirements set forth in any of these bills. I have to produce a birth certificate, as well as other documentation etc just to get a drivers license. At LEAST that level of assurance should be had by our president.

    Even Bill O'Rielly, who has long said he believes Obama was born in the USA, admitted that he has not shown any proof. I agree. That man is level headed by all means, knocking Bush and praising Obama all the time. If he has nothing to hide, why spend 2 million dollars hiding the one document that would put all this to a close?

    To say "He's smart to hide it, as he would be playing into the birthers hands to show it" is an extremely idiotic thing to say. That's like saying that a defendant, who produces proof of their innocence, is simply playing into the hands of the prosecutor.

    His job is to show he is a citizen. He has not done that. He is fueling the flames himself. Produce the real deal and this will fade away. You don't see polls showing half the nation believes Bush had something to do with 9-11, but you do see polls in that huge chunks of the country don't believe he was born in the USA. States are passing laws to ensure this **** doesn't happen again.

    "Truthers" are a far left fringe group, "birthers" constitute a measurable number in society. Labeling them makes the left feel good, but it's real. The man needs to produce real proof. His own grandmother said he was born in Kenya.
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    Re: *Breaking News* - Mainstream Media Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Bir

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Anyone born in the USA would have no problems with the requirements set forth in any of these bills. I have to produce a birth certificate, as well as other documentation etc just to get a drivers license. At LEAST that level of assurance should be had by our president.
    I don't remember having to show my birth certificate when I got my DL. I'm just saying. That's fine to have to show proof, but why did it suddenly become an issue with Obama? Did Bush show his Birth Certificate to everyone?

    Even Bill O'Rielly, who has long said he believes Obama was born in the USA, admitted that he has not shown any proof. I agree. That man is level headed by all means, knocking Bush and praising Obama all the time. If he has nothing to hide, why spend 2 million dollars hiding the one document that would put all this to a close?
    O'Reilly has been remarkably level-headed about this. Even he said it seems like a pretty unlikely conspiracy.

    To say "He's smart to hide it, as he would be playing into the birthers hands to show it" is an extremely idiotic thing to say. That's like saying that a defendant, who produces proof of their innocence, is simply playing into the hands of the prosecutor.
    Except that in a criminal court, it is the job of the prosecutor to prove the guilt of the defendant. It's not the job of the defendant to prove his innocence, he is innocent until proven guilty. The only evidence shown so far is the short form Certificate, which says he was born in Hawaii. That's it. No other evidence so far. In a criminal court, that's a slam dunk for the defense when the prosecution shows no evidence whatsoever.

    His job is to show he is a citizen. He has not done that. He is fueling the flames himself. Produce the real deal and this will fade away. You don't see polls showing half the nation believes Bush had something to do with 9-11, but you do see polls in that huge chunks of the country don't believe he was born in the USA. States are passing laws to ensure this **** doesn't happen again.
    He produced the real deal. A person born in Hawaii who goes back and asks for a copy of their birth certificate gets exactly what he has produced. It has been attested as genuine by officials in Hawaii of both parties. Do you really believe that the Republican party of Hawaii is in on this?

    "Truthers" are a far left fringe group, "birthers" constitute a measurable number in society. Labeling them makes the left feel good, but it's real. The man needs to produce real proof. His own grandmother said he was born in Kenya.
    Truthers and birthers both show a remarkable ability to maintain their beliefs in the face of evidence. Especially when the only evidence they have is conjecture.

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    Re: *Breaking News* - Mainstream Media Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Bir

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post

    His own grandmother said he was born in Kenya.
    She did not.

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    Re: *Breaking News* - Mainstream Media Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Bir

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Anyone born in the USA would have no problems with the requirements set forth in any of these bills. I have to produce a birth certificate, as well as other documentation etc just to get a drivers license. At LEAST that level of assurance should be had by our president.
    You have to provide exactly what Obama has provided already. No new law changes what i salready required and done.

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    Re: *Breaking News* - Mainstream Media Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Bir

    How's that "birther bill" coming along?

    Now we'll see if this really was only about Obama, as many on the left claimed it was. If it wasn't just about Obama, they will pass a new bill for the governor to sign. If they let the matter drop in light of Obama releasing his long form certificate, then the left was right (pun intended), and this was merely an attempt by the right to get Obama to release his long form.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    Sorry but the problem is that Obama's father was not a citizen. If Obama was born in the Lincoln bedroom he wouldn't be a natural born citizen and eligible for Article 2 Section 1. He was born a dual British Citizen. That was never the intent of the founders at the adoption of our constitution especially after we just finished a war with England. There was no way they were going to take a chance for a future president to be born with a allegiance to another nation.
    How could he possibly be "dual British" if his mother was American?

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post

    How could he possibly be "dual British" if his mother was American?
    I'm not so sure you're gonna get an answer from Apuzo. He doesn't seem to post on these fora anymore since Obama released his long form certificate.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Oh! Well, shoot. I really am quizzical.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    How could he possibly be "dual British" if his mother was American?
    Becuase of his father??? Just perhaps??? Fathers also pass on citizenship, you know...
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Becuase of his father??? Just perhaps??? Fathers also pass on citizenship, you know...
    I'm laughing too hard here. You can't be "dual British". That means you're British, period.

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