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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I was thinking along those lines but then I thought of the Defense of Marriage Act, which allows states to not recognize a marriage certificate from another state if the marriage is between two men or two women.
    Well, the Defense of Marriage Act is certainly unconstitutional, and I'm quite sure that the Supreme Court will agree (if it even makes it to the Supreme Court before being repealed). Same logic: Being married (or being born) is something you ARE. Getting married (or driving or carrying a gun) is something you DO.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    hey birfer:

    Sen. Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois - UPI.com

    He was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children* in Honolulu, HI.

    *The name of the hospital was corrected in the referenced article after originally stating that the hospital was the Queen's Medical Center. The name Kapi'olani is named after a queen...hence the hospital was called both.



    Sen. Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois - UPI.com
    How did they get that information about what Hospital he was born in if his birth records are suppose to be off limits? Also Kapi-olani has never declared Obama was born there in a official statement.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Irrelevant. It's up to the FEDERAL government to determine if candidates meet the FEDERAL requirements for president. If individual STATES want to impose their own requirements in addition to these, they are able to do so (to a certain extent). So if Arizona wants to impose a natural-born citizenship requirement of its own, or a non-polygamy requirement of its own, it would probably be able to do so. Those two requirements would be functionally identical; the fact that the US Constitution requires one and not the other doesn't matter, because in this case it would be an individual state imposing them both.

    The problem the state will encounter lies in imposing an undue burden of proof on someone. You can't require a birth certificate if certain classes of eligible people are going to be less able to produce one than others.
    Did the Federal Government do its job to determine if Roger Colero, a Nicaraguan national, born in Nicaragua to Nicaraguan parents was able to get on the ballots of states to run for president back in 08? He was not a natural born citizen at all.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    Did the Federal Government do its job to determine if Roger Colero, a Nicaraguan national, born in Nicaragua to Nicaraguan parents was able to get on the ballots of states to run for president back in 08? He was not a natural born citizen at all.
    Never heard of him. He probably wasn't even on the federal government's radar because he didn't win and had no chance of winning. The states are in charge of balloting, the federal government is in charge of verifying federal requirements to be president.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Looks like Arizona has got a new state that wants to seek eligibility proof.


    Two Dozen Pennsylvania Legislators Co-Sponsor Proof of Eligibility Legislation

    Via Lancaster Online: - Lancaster County legislator backs birther bill - Tom Murse
    Lancaster County legislator backs birther bill - LancasterOnline.com News


    If President Barack Obama wants to win Pennsylvania in his bid for a second term in the White House next year, he might be asked to produce his birth certificate.

    Two dozen legislators, including one from Lancaster County, want to force presidential hopefuls, including Obama, to cough up proof that they're natural born citizens to get on the state's ballot.

    The bill's author, Republican state Rep. Daryl Metcalfe of Butler County, said he drafted the measure in response to persistent questions about Obama's citizenship — even though the president released a copy of his birth certificate, showing he was born in Hawaii, during his first campaign.

    "I was shocked that somebody's running for president and there's this question," Metcalfe said. "Why doesn't our process thoroughly ensure we don't have that question?"
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post

    How did they get that information about what Hospital he was born in if his birth records are suppose to be off limits? Also Kapi-olani has never declared Obama was born there in a official statement.
    For one, the Republican governor and former John McCain campaign staffer, said so...

    "So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this." ~ Linda Lingle, former governor of Hawaii

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

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    How in the **** do we, in this day and age, have "state recognized clergy"?
    501c3 status requires you to report your employees. In order for a clergyman to, say, officiate a legally binding municipal marriage license, or commission as a chaplain officer, they have to demonstrate that they are an official member of a recognized church; recognized, as in recognized by the state.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    For one, the Republican governor and former John McCain campaign staffer, said so...

    "So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that's just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it's again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this." ~ Linda Lingle, former governor of Hawaii
    Well that means she broke Hawaiian privacy statutes by revealing on a national talk radio show a individuals private information detailing the specific location of the place of birth, Kapi-olani Hospital.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    And exactly how does that prove which country the baby was born in?
    I missed the post where someone said it was supposed to.

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