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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The only way they can vote is if they're given U.S. citizenship. Who was the last president to provide amnesty for illegal aliens?
    Shhhhhh, he's a great man. Mythological. Say a prayer when you speak his name.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Ever notice that Arizona is becoming more and more ridiculous and nobody is following their lead? Arizona is quickly replacing Texas as the clown-state of the Union.
    Says the one from Ca, the state that is losing it's people and jobs to Texas.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I did, but then someone corrected me and said we know the name of the hospital.
    No you didn't. There is no link for it. Please supply one.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    .....because the certificate of baptism states which church they were baptized in and who the state-recognized clergy member was.

    I'm no birther, but that lil tid-bit is fairly obvious, just like the piece of trivia a few posts back on how a state can tell the Fed what to do. This is basic common knowledge.
    How in the **** do we, in this day and age, have "state recognized clergy"?
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No you didn't. There is no link for it. Please supply one.


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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    I'm a little dumber now for having read that nonsense. We know exactly where and whenObama was born. That article was absolute nonsense.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    hey birfer:

    Sen. Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois - UPI.com

    He was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children* in Honolulu, HI.

    *The name of the hospital was corrected in the referenced article after originally stating that the hospital was the Queen's Medical Center. The name Kapi'olani is named after a queen...hence the hospital was called both.



    Sen. Barack Obama, Democrat of Illinois - UPI.com

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Tell us what exactly is wrong with a law that requests documentation that a presidential candidate meet the requirements of office. Then give us a link to this "current law" that is more than sufficient to settle the question. I'll check back in July.
    First of all, let's distinguish between state requirements and federal requirements. While the states have some leeway in how they pick their electors and who the electors can vote for, the US Constitution imposes three federal requirements for presidents: 35 years old, 14 years in residency, and a natural born citizen. That is the business of the FEDERAL government, not the states. So from the State of Arizona's perspective, the fact that being a natural-born citizen is a federal requirement is irrelevant. Requiring a birth certificate to prove natural-born citizenship would be no legally different than, say, requiring a candidate to produce his high school diploma to prove that he graduated or any other requirement that the state might care to impose IN ADDITION TO the federal requirements.

    As for what's wrong with it: The easiest (although by no means the only) point of contention is the 14th Amendment. Requiring people to produce a birth certificate places an undue burden on the poor, the old, and the foreign-born (which is not mutually exclusive with natural-born citizenship), because these people are less likely to have such a document. That is a violation of the Equal Protection clause.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    Tinfoil hats/racial prejudice...whatever it takes to discredit yes?
    Oh give me a break. To claim that the "birther" movement isn't racially tinged defies credibility. It's easier to paint Obama as "the other" because he's black and has a Muslim-sounding name.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    1st Bold: One state does not have to recognize a License to Carry from another state, nor a plain old gun permit.
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    3rd Bold: Get 2/3 of the states to approve an amendment to the constitution, and we'll talk.
    No, I'm talking about implementing my require-Massachusetts-governors-to-prove-they-aren't-polygamous law on the STATE level. Just like Arizona wants to do for birth certificates.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    And now you know not to trust Newsmax.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Hmm.. does the Constitution say anything about a president having to be monogamous? Nice try...
    Irrelevant. It's up to the FEDERAL government to determine if candidates meet the FEDERAL requirements for president. If individual STATES want to impose their own requirements in addition to these, they are able to do so (to a certain extent). So if Arizona wants to impose a natural-born citizenship requirement of its own, or a non-polygamy requirement of its own, it would probably be able to do so. Those two requirements would be functionally identical; the fact that the US Constitution requires one and not the other doesn't matter, because in this case it would be an individual state imposing them both.

    The problem the state will encounter lies in imposing an undue burden of proof on someone. You can't require a birth certificate if certain classes of eligible people are going to be less able to produce one than others.
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