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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post

    You people are pretending this is about Obama simply because Obama's failure to produce a legitimate birth certificate prompted the law. If, as you people claim, Obama has a real birth certificate, can you explain what your problem is? You're failing to demonstrate any semblance of rational thought on this issue.
    Of course it's about Obama. If it wasn't, the law wouldn't rule out short form birth certificates. I find it amazing that they'll accept a certification of baptism or circumcision, neither of which establishes where a person is born, but they won't accept an official document of a person's birth record from a state unless it specifies which hospital they are born in and who the doctor was.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    That is wasn't the American people who were talking about his "funny" name or the color of his skin. He was drawing attention to those things himself.
    He drew attention to it because he recognized it as something that is unfamiliar and he knew others could relate to him. Him drawing attention to it doesn't mean that other people hadn't already noticed or wouldn't think of it as an issue. Many Americans are xenophobic and there are certainly people who suspicions of his birth place and religion are supplemented by a fear of the "funny name".

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Ever notice that Arizona is becoming more and more ridiculous and nobody is following their lead? Arizona is quickly replacing Texas as the clown-state of the Union.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Of course it's about Obama. If it wasn't, the law wouldn't rule out short form birth certificates. I find it amazing that they'll accept a certification of baptism or circumcision, neither of which establishes where a person is born, but they won't accept an official document of a person's birth record from a state unless it specifies which hospital they are born in and who the doctor was.
    .....because the certificate of baptism states which church they were baptized in and who the state-recognized clergy member was.

    I'm no birther, but that lil tid-bit is fairly obvious, just like the piece of trivia a few posts back on how a state can tell the Fed what to do. This is basic common knowledge.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Ever notice that Arizona is becoming more and more ridiculous and nobody is following their lead? Arizona is quickly replacing Texas as the clown-state of the Union.
    I blame it on my X, 'cuz that's the state she ran to when fleeing someone who doesn't exist.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Ever notice that Arizona is becoming more and more ridiculous and nobody is following their lead? Arizona is quickly replacing Texas as the clown-state of the Union.
    Actually the clown state of the Union is up between Illinois for allow Rham in a Mayor of Chicago and Cali for letting Jerry Brown back in as Gov.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    .....because the certificate of baptism states which church they were baptized in and who the state-recognized clergy member was.
    And exactly how does that prove which country the baby was born in?

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The motivation behind the laws is to appeal to the xenophobic (anti-immigrant) right wing voters in the state who are scared of non-White (i. e. brown) peoples, who they believe are invading America to destroy it's supposedly "proper" White culture.

    That xenophobia is evident in bans like this. . .

    Arizona education chief moves to ban ethnic studies in Tucson schools - CNN



    True, and many of them, it would seem, aren't savvy enough to recognize it. It's well known that Latino labor organizers like Cesar Chaves opposed open immigration to improve the work conditions for laborers.

    If they did recognize it, it would certainly be ironical. The last thing the border bigots in AZ want is for Latinos in the state to benefit from those laws.



    OK, please explain how it would be enforced (this should be interesting. . .!)



    cop pulls someone over for running a stop light. Man has no driver's license in his possession. Cop asks for documentation that he is here legally. man shows it to him. Man gets charged for driving without a license.
    Man is in a wreck. Cop asks for license, registration, and proof of insurance. Man has all of those. A report is made and cop leaves. man calls his insurance co. and tow truck.
    Man is pulled over for suspected DUI. He smells of booze and is slurring his words. He can't provide license. He is then asked for documents that prove he is in country legally. he can't do that either. He goes to jail for suspected DUI and possibly here illegally. When he fails again to get anyone to produce his documents he is eventually deported.
    BTW, it is a law that immigrants carry their greencards or documents with them. Anyone who is here legally shouldn't have a problem with the AZ law that only mimics the federal law.

    I am anti-illegal immigration. To call people who want our borders secure, anti-immigrant is an insult. Immigration is a wonderful thing. Illegal immigration is well, illegal and should be stopped by enforcing our laws.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
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    cop pulls someone over for running a stop light. Man has no driver's license in his possession. Cop asks for documentation that he is here legally. man shows it to him. Man gets charged for driving without a license.
    Man is in a wreck. Cop asks for license, registration, and proof of insurance. Man has all of those. A report is made and cop leaves. man calls his insurance co. and tow truck.
    Man is pulled over for suspected DUI. He smells of booze and is slurring his words. He can't provide license. He is then asked for documents that prove he is in country legally. he can't do that either. He goes to jail for suspected DUI and possibly here illegally. When he fails again to get anyone to produce his documents he is eventually deported.
    BTW, it is a law that immigrants carry their greencards or documents with them. Anyone who is here legally shouldn't have a problem with the AZ law that only mimics the federal law.

    I am anti-illegal immigration. To call people who want our borders secure, anti-immigrant is an insult. Immigration is a wonderful thing. Illegal immigration is well, illegal and should be stopped by enforcing our laws.
    Barb, the folks that have a problem with the AZ immigration law,s and anti-illegal immigration laws have this problem because they see illegals as a future voting block and represent power. You, and I for that matter, are a threat to that power.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post

    Barb, the folks that have a problem with the AZ immigration law,s and anti-illegal immigration laws have this problem because they see illegals as a future voting block and represent power. You, and I for that matter, are a threat to that power.
    The only way they can vote is if they're given U.S. citizenship. Who was the last president to provide amnesty for illegal aliens?

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