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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ok.

    I stepped away from the racism.

    My point is.

    Those who attack Obama on his citizenship are 99.9% of the Right wing persuasion.

    Not people to usually go after "their" own president.

    We can't say what really might have happened if McCain were president, but my guess his citizenship would not have been an issue, that's my only point.
    To many, mostly on the right, we think Obama's policies and values are the worst thing we can imagine for this country. Hec, he just said something like, without Medicare, Social Security, and unemployment benefits, we wouldn't be the great country we are today. WTF! Social programs are what made this country great??? I couldn't disagree with this president more on just about every issue.
    I think that is the reason some are willing to grab at any straw that might mean he is illegitimate. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Personally, I don't think the law will do what it's supporters and detractors think it will do. It seems pretty blown out of proportion to me. Yeah, it's a waste of time and effort, but I don't think it really hurts anything. It won't quiet the people who have already decided to believe that Obama wasn't born in the US.
    It WILL get Seel et al the current publicity that they enjoy.
    I agree. I only called it sad because it is a waste of time and effort and won't really change anything.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Without the law, what criteria would Arizona have been able to point to, formally, to deny him the opportunity to register?

    The Arizona law does nothing to but codify a requirement to establish grounds for rejection.

    In 2008, Arnold could have registered his campaign in Arizona and the state's response would have been "hey, you can't run, we read in People magazine that you were born in Austria." But what if the candidate was Arnold Horowitz, born in Prague to an American mother and a Czech pianist who then flew to New York the next day, where they were issued a certificate of live birth? Nobody's ever heard of Arnold Horowitz (because the Mayor just invented him), so how would an Arizona election official know to reject his candidacy, if he's not required to produce a birth certificate showing his nation of origin?

    You people are pretending this is about Obama simply because Obama's failure to produce a legitimate birth certificate prompted the law. If, as you people claim, Obama has a real birth certificate, can you explain what your problem is? You're failing to demonstrate any semblance of rational thought on this issue.
    The law is unnecessary, I am sure when a candidate files to run for president, the candidate must file the proper documentation at the Federal level. Determining who can legally run for president is not a right states have.


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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    um... how the **** can a state tell the federal government what they can or cannot do?
    Congress.


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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    He did NOT have to show his COLB or whatever. Further, based on the link you provided, his birth certificate didn't exist at all anywhere until he was 60 years old.

    The Eisenhower case proves that a simple birth certificate is ample to prove one's eligibility to be PotUSA.
    No, the artical said he had never needed it until he decided to run for POTUS. There are special requirements for that job.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    You know the irony is I think this could actually come to inhibit some GOP candidates more than Obama. It would be hilarious if the Republican nominee couldn't get his name on the ballot in Arizona because he didn't have the paperwork.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    No, the artical said he had never needed it until he decided to run for POTUS. There are special requirements for that job.
    from the link

    Ike needed birth certificate to run for president / September 22, 2010 / Sonoran News
    The article appeared on page 6A with a dateline of Sherman, Texas. It was headlined: “General’s birth certificate officially filed,” and stated, “A certificate recording Dwight Eisenhower’s birth in Denison on Oct. 14, 1890, was filed Wednesday [Oct. 1, 1952] in the Grayson County Clerk’s office.

    Nobody had bothered to make out a certificate when the Republican presidential candidate was born in a house at the corner of Lamar and Day streets in nearby Denison.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The law is unnecessary, I am sure when a candidate files to run for president, the candidate must file the proper documentation at the Federal level. Determining who can legally run for president is not a right states have.
    How did Roger Colero, a Nicaraguan national, born in Nicaragua to Nicaraguan parents get allowed on the ballots of states to run for president back in 08? He was not a natural born citizen at all.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    To many, mostly on the right, we think Obama's policies and values are the worst thing we can imagine for this country.
    The worst things imaginable for this country are not located in either of the two main political parties.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    To many, mostly on the right, we think Obama's policies and values are the worst thing we can imagine for this country. Hec, he just said something like, without Medicare, Social Security, and unemployment benefits, we wouldn't be the great country we are today. WTF! Social programs are what made this country great??? I couldn't disagree with this president more on just about every issue.
    I think that is the reason some are willing to grab at any straw that might mean he is illegitimate. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
    While it is true that a large portion of the issues people have are with his policies, the constant accusing him of being a Muslim or of being a racist bring race into play at least to some extent.

    The problem I have is that most issues people take with him have nothing to do with his actual policy (which there is plenty to take issue with) but with half-baked conspiracy theories such as that he is a Fascist-Communist-Muslim extremist (completely ignoring that all 3 are mutually exclusive stances) or that he was born in Kenya or that he's the anti-christ.

    Bush was a drunkard and coke-head whose wife killed a man. But still, for the most part, his critics stuck to actual policy issues to explain why he was a bad president.
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