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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is OBVIOUSLY about President Obama. Let's not insult one another's intelligence by pretending otherwise.

    Hey I've got a great idea for a law! If any ex-governors of Massachusetts want to run for president, they have to prove that they've never been polygamous. Of course, I'm not referring to any SPECIFIC person, this is about all presidents.
    No.

    It's obvioulsy about ballot access for all future presidential candidates.

    Or did you see the name "obama" in the law?

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Actually, only people worried that their favorite candidate won't be able to register in Arizona would be bothered by a law that does nothing but stipulate a candidate prove his eligibility for an office before being allowed on the ballot.

    But just think, this will keep Arnold Schwarzenegger from running in Arizona. Perhaps Arizona saw what Arnold Kennedy Schwarzenegger did to California and don't want him campaigning for president in their state?


    No, not at all. And Arnold would not ahve been allowed to run without the law. Agian, the law does nothing. It only adds to the paper work an unneeded layer.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The point is!! It makes perfect sense that any candidate for President of the United States should be formally vetted. What's so damned odd about that? Shouldn't candidates have to prove their eligibility?? Come on, make a case for why it doesn't make sense they should have to do so in a formal manner. I'll wait.

    Because they're unhappy that this law will prevent Obama from registering his candidacy in Arizona.

    if it won't do that, the Mayor cannot see what their problem is.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I'd also like this opportunity to ask this rather important question.

    How does coming out of a pussy in Detroit make one more qualified to lead the United States?
    It doesn't but it's the law.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Because they're unhappy that this law will prevent Obama from registering his candidacy in Arizona.

    if it won't do that, the Mayor cannot see what their problem is.
    That too would be wrong. Obama will not have a problem registering.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post


    No, not at all. And Arnold would not ahve been allowed to run without the law. Agian, the law does nothing. It only adds to the paper work an unneeded layer.
    Without the law, what criteria would Arizona have been able to point to, formally, to deny him the opportunity to register?

    The Arizona law does nothing to but codify a requirement to establish grounds for rejection.

    In 2008, Arnold could have registered his campaign in Arizona and the state's response would have been "hey, you can't run, we read in People magazine that you were born in Austria." But what if the candidate was Arnold Horowitz, born in Prague to an American mother and a Czech pianist who then flew to New York the next day, where they were issued a certificate of live birth? Nobody's ever heard of Arnold Horowitz (because the Mayor just invented him), so how would an Arizona election official know to reject his candidacy, if he's not required to produce a birth certificate showing his nation of origin?

    You people are pretending this is about Obama simply because Obama's failure to produce a legitimate birth certificate prompted the law. If, as you people claim, Obama has a real birth certificate, can you explain what your problem is? You're failing to demonstrate any semblance of rational thought on this issue.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That too would be wrong. Obama will not have a problem registering.
    Then explain your problem with requiring applicants to demonstrate compliance with the Constituitonal requirements.

    Outside of very broad Constitutional amendments regulating the age and sex of voters, the Constitution allows the states to determine ballot access. There's no discrimination issue here, ALL candidates must comply. All valid candidates can comply without problem.

    So what's your problem?

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Then explain your problem with requiring applicants to demonstrate compliance with the Constituitonal requirements.

    Outside of very broad Constitutional amendments regulating the age and sex of voters, the Constitution allows the states to determine ballot access. There's no discrimination issue here, ALL candidates must comply. All valid candidates can comply without problem.

    So what's your problem?
    I've told you the problem. This was already done, and there was no need for further legislation. We were not ahving a problem at all. It's silliness and unneccessary.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Without the law, what criteria would Arizona have been able to point to, formally, to deny him the opportunity to register?

    The Arizona law does nothing to but codify a requirement to establish grounds for rejection.

    In 2008, Arnold could have registered his campaign in Arizona and the state's response would have been "hey, you can't run, we read in People magazine that you were born in Austria." But what if the candidate was Arnold Horowitz, born in Prague to an American mother and a Czech pianist who then flew to New York the next day, where they were issued a certificate of live birth? Nobody's ever heard of Arnold Horowitz (because the Mayor just invented him), so how would an Arizona election official know to reject his candidacy, if he's not required to produce a birth certificate showing his nation of origin?

    You people are pretending this is about Obama simply because Obama's failure to produce a legitimate birth certificate prompted the law. If, as you people claim, Obama has a real birth certificate, can you explain what your problem is? You're failing to demonstrate any semblance of rational thought on this issue.
    The same as the do before the law, the same reason Aronald couldn't run, you always had to be a citizen. Your law changes nothing.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    If, as you people claim, Obama has a real birth certificate, can you explain what your problem is? You're failing to demonstrate any semblance of rational thought on this issue.
    I think that in the post you are responding to is the answer to your question:
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It only adds to the paper work an unneeded layer.
    Personally, I don't think the law will do what it's supporters and detractors think it will do. It seems pretty blown out of proportion to me. Yeah, it's a waste of time and effort, but I don't think it really hurts anything. It won't quiet the people who have already decided to believe that Obama wasn't born in the US.
    It WILL get Seel et al the current publicity that they enjoy.
    I may be wrong.

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