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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post

    Didn't Apuzo provide a link to a source that has a link to that exact document? How is it that Apuzo didn't know this information already? Didn't he read his sources?
    Selective reading, I suppose.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Yet the first few they elected were born British subjects.
    That's because they had no choice because it was 'at the time of the adoption of the constitution' and all were citizens with British ties. That is the sole purpose why the founders added natural born citizen to Article 2 Section 1 to basically ensure a national security blanket to prevent a commander in chief from having a allegiance to a foreign sovereignty while occupying the highest office in the land. Now with that being said, do you think the founders wanted their future presidents to have a born allegiance to England after they fought a war against them for their independence...twice?

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    This made me laugh. Can you please provide a link for that crap?
    I did, but then someone corrected me and said we know the name of the hospital.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    Now with that being said, do you think the founders wanted their future presidents to have a born allegiance to England after they fought a war against them for their independence...twice?
    Or, you could ask if the founders meant to prevent people born in the US to an American and a foreigner to be considered eligible for the presidency.
    That would be more to the point and less of a red-herring type question than the one you offered.
    Why do you have to fall back to loaded questions like that? Why not employ facts?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Maggie is 100 % correct. It is not that Obama is black, it is that some people will look for anything to stop a politician, no matter who they are. Using race just makes it easy for the birthers to defend against the argument and actually score points they don't deserve.
    I really don't know how anyone can tie race to the birthers. Oh, nevermind, since he is black, that must be the reason they are questioning him. Just like the tea partiers must be racist and it has nothing to do with his policies according to race obsessed left.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Or, you could ask if the founders meant to prevent people born in the US to an American and a foreigner to be considered eligible for the presidency.
    That would be more to the point and less of a red-herring type question than the one you offered.
    Why do you have to fall back to loaded questions like that? Why not employ facts?
    Please answer my question. It's a basic common sense question. Do you think the founders wanted their future presidents to have a born allegiance to England after they fought a war against them for their independence...twice?

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    That's because they had no choice because it was 'at the time of the adoption of the constitution' and all were citizens with British ties. That is the sole purpose why the founders added natural born citizen to Article 2 Section 1 to basically ensure a national security blanket to prevent a commander in chief from having a allegiance to a foreign sovereignty while occupying the highest office in the land. Now with that being said, do you think the founders wanted their future presidents to have a born allegiance to England after they fought a war against them for their independence...twice?
    The difference being between naturalized citizens and citizens born in the U.S., that latter being the accepted definition of a "natural born citizen."

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Quick quiz.. who was the 1st person to say that about Barack Obama during the election. The answer is in the question.

    I know, I know! raising hand waving wildly.
    He was divisive from the start.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    Please answer my question.
    No. I don't think that. Nor do I think that they wanted someone who is an imbecile to be president. Not do i think they wanted someone who was a child to be president. Nor do I think they wanted someone who listened to rock and roll too loud to be president. I do not think they wanted Miley Cyrus to be president.
    There's quite a long list of people who I don't think they wanted to be president.
    But, that is all totally beside the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    It's a basic common sense question.
    No, it's not. It's an irrelevant and loaded question that has no bearing on the matter at hand.

    The relevant question would be:
    Did the founders mean to prevent people born in the US to an American and a foreigner to be considered eligible for the presidency?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I know, I know! raising hand waving wildly.
    He was divisive from the start.
    IIRC, he was truther named berg
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