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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post

    Huh? I suppose Obama will take AZ to court over this one too.
    I doubt it. If it were California or New York or Florida, a state he could win, possibly; but why bother with a state that's going to vote for the Republican anyway?

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post

    According to Obamas own website, his birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 due to his father being a British National. That made Obama at birth a dual British Citizen and not a natural born citizen despite being born in Hawaii. I believe this is why former democratic party chair Brian Schatz in Hawaii didn't certify Obama as constitutionally eligible on the Hawaii Democratic Party OCON form as it has been revealed lately. The provisional wording was left out. This Arizona bill will make a candidate come up with more proof for verification that they are a NBC that Article 2 Section 1 calls for.
    Also according to that website, at the bottom of the same page you linked: "This communication is not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

    Yet you made the fallacious representation that Obama himself stated that.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Full Faith and Credit clause, for starters. The state of Hawaii released Obama's birth certificate long ago, and certified it as genuine. If that isn't good enough for Arizona, it means that they are not giving full faith and credit to the documents of another state, which is unconstitutional.
    And as such, would then most likely be in compliance with Arizona law...
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is OBVIOUSLY about President Obama. Let's not insult one another's intelligence by pretending otherwise.

    Hey I've got a great idea for a law! If any ex-governors of Massachusetts want to run for president, they have to prove that they've never been polygamous. Of course, I'm not referring to any SPECIFIC person, this is about all presidents.
    Hmm.. does the Constitution say anything about a president having to be monogamous? Nice try...
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Since Kenya itself does not recognize dual citizenship, it would never have conferred Kenyan citizenship on someone born in Hawaii who is already an American citizen, even though the father had Kenyan citizenship. Therefore, Obama has only one citizenship - American.
    Was Kenya an independent state when Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was brought alive into this crazy earth of ours???
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    The Full Faith and Credit clause, for starters. The state of Hawaii released Obama's birth certificate long ago, and certified it as genuine. If that isn't good enough for Arizona, it means that they are not giving full faith and credit to the documents of another state, which is unconstitutional.
    I was thinking along those lines but then I thought of the Defense of Marriage Act, which allows states to not recognize a marriage certificate from another state if the marriage is between two men or two women.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    So why did the 'Father of the 14th Amendment, John Bingham define Natural Born Citizen as this if parents were immaterial?


    “Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
    Good point, but it doesn't have the force of law.

    The basic premise here is that, while born in the United States, his father was not a citizen. These are points that not even the liberal-est of the liberals will contest.

    The logical conclusion that therefore he is not a natural-born citizen might be problematic. George Washington's parents were not citizens of the United States either. You could say that is simply because there was no United States, but the fact is that they were British subjects. Washington himself fought for the crown in the French and Indian War, so he once had loyalties to another power.

    It's also based on the opinion of one man who never would have envisioned a world where someone born in Austria who's career was in bodybuilding and action films could become Governor of California, or where a group of islands out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean would be a State. The thought that a person born there, whose parents were a white girl from Kansas and a black man from Africa, could even get within any distance of becoming the Democratic Party's nominee for President would have really blown his mind. Can you give that opinion force of law? Good luck convincing a judge of that.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    The point is!! It makes perfect sense that any candidate for President of the United States should be formally vetted. What's so damned odd about that? Shouldn't candidates have to prove their eligibility?? Come on, make a case for why it doesn't make sense they should have to do so in a formal manner. I'll wait.
    How does a certificate of circumcision prove a person was born in the U.S.? That is just one of the documents Arizona is willing to accept as prove of birth in the U.S.. But they're not willing to accept a certified short form certificate.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    How does a certificate of circumcision prove a person was born in the U.S.? That is just one of the documents Arizona is willing to accept as prove of birth in the U.S.. But they're not willing to accept a certified short form certificate.
    This is pretty ridiculous.

    An official government document = unreliable and untrustworthy

    A piece of paper that says the tip of his penis was cut off = infallible evidence of birth in the united states
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Also according to that website, at the bottom of the same page you linked: "This communication is not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

    Yet you made the fallacious representation that Obama himself stated that.
    Fight the Smears in paid for by Organizing For America that supports Obama. Obama apparently hasn't contested the statement or it would be not on their if he did. The website is stating the facts about Obama's birth being governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948.

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