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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    I can comprehend fine. I am asking you if you think Arthur was eligible?
    Yes. A person who is a dual citizen of the United States and any other country at the time of their birth, is a citizen of the United States at the time of their birth, and therefore is a natural-born citizen.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Read, Jet, read!!! McCain went before a Congressional committee regarding his birthplace. John McCain sounds pretty WASPY to me. This has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin.
    Right, but McCain was not born in the U.S. but on a military base so there was a quetion of eligibility. Obama was born on U.S. soil and has provided documentation to prove it. See the difference?
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    So how are they going to regulate this so that one candidate isn't held to a higher burden of proof than another candidate? I could see how this could be abused if state officials let Joe Republican just provide his state issued birth certificate but they demand that Henry Democrat provides a signed affidavit from the doctor who delivered him.
    They same way they are going to make sure that the police aren't racial profiling... they aren't. Arizona is seeming pretty fringe, right-wing lately.
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, so if we're referring specifically to the law itself...
    What else would we be referring to in regards to constitutionality?
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    rather than the specific outcome of Arizona claiming Obama's birth certificate is invalid
    Cite please.
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    There would still be a 14th Amendment violation. If states began requiring people to produce a birth certificate in order to run for president, this would place an undue burden on the poor, the old, and the foreign-born (which is not mutually exclusive with natural-born citizenship), who might be less likely to have such documents. That would be a violation of the Equal Protection clause.
    I am not sure that running for president falls into the same category of rights as voting.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes. A person who is a dual citizen of the United States and any other country at the time of their birth, is a citizen of the United States at the time of their birth, and therefore is a natural-born citizen.
    Show me a link to verify this.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    They same way they are going to make sure that the police aren't racial profiling... they aren't. Arizona is seeming pretty fringe, right-wing lately.
    Sheeesh. What would happen if you read the bill? It really doesn't hurt and it answers CriticalThought's question.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    The newspaper birth announcements only say that a baby was born, not where. Back in 1961 you could have foreign births and the state would issue a 3rd kind of birth certificate for that purpose. Once the dept of health was notified of the birth via a office visit by the relative or mail in form, a vital record was created thus triggering the birth announcements.
    I see. So a baby was born, and the parents, in a voodoo ceremony, of course, offered it as a sacrifice to Satan, before putting Barack in it's place. Makes a lot of sense.... Actually, no it doesn't, but neither did what you posted. Explain to me what kind of conspiracy exists that would account for a baby being born to Obama's parents, but it wasn't Barack. I was going to type some more, but I can't stop laughing right now. What I am hearing from birthers is totally bat**** crazy. How about peddling it to Monty Python? I bet they could have a lot of fun with it.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What else would we be referring to in regards to constitutionality?
    We could talk about the constitutionality of a law demanding birth certificates from presidential candidates, or the constitutionality of a state not offering the full faith and credit of another state's documents. I assume you want to talk about the former?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon
    I am not sure that running for president falls into the same category of rights as voting.
    Why wouldn't it?
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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Apuzo View Post
    Back in 1961 you could have foreign births and the state would issue a 3rd kind of birth certificate for that purpose.
    and on these birth certificates, under place of birth, did it list Honolulu? Or did it list the actual place of birth?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Associated Press: Arizona Senate Approves 'Birther' Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Read the bill
    I'm asking a simple question not asserting anything.

    How are they going to regulate this so that one candidate isn't held to a higher burden of proof than another candidate? As I said before, I could see how this could be abused if state officials let Joe Republican just provide his state issued birth certificate but they demand that Henry Democrat provides a signed affidavit from the doctor who delivered him.

    Do you have any knowledge of how they are going to keep this from occurring? If you are telling me to read the bill, then that kind of indicates that you haven't read the bill and have absolutely no idea yourself.
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