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Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

Here is more evidence regarding the total debt which shows the dishonesty of Obama and his supporters who continue to claim that Clinton had a surplus

Social Security IOU’s

Social Security IOUs stashed away - Washington Times

That dog won't hunt.

By law, income to the trust funds must be invested, on a daily basis, in securities guaranteed as to both principal and interest by the Federal government. All securities held by the trust funds are "special issues" of the United States Treasury. Such securities are available only to the trust funds.

In the past, the trust funds have held marketable Treasury securities, which are available to the general public. Unlike marketable securities, special issues can be redeemed at any time at face value. Marketable securities are subject to the forces of the open market and may suffer a loss, or enjoy a gain, if sold before maturity. Investment in special issues gives the trust funds the same flexibility as holding cash.

Data on trust fund investments provide a breakdown by interest rate and trust fund for any month after 1989.
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That dog won't hunt.


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That income does hunt, where does the money come from to pay off those IOU's. I am amazed at how little you know about investments. We are broke and will have to borrow the money to pay off those IOU's. I just don't get it, what is it about the liberal ideology that creates such loyalty in the face of facts, logic, and common sense.
 
That income does hunt, where does the money come from to pay off those IOU's. I am amazed at how little you know about investments. We are broke and will have to borrow the money to pay off those IOU's. I just don't get it, what is it about the liberal ideology that creates such loyalty in the face of facts, logic, and common sense.
I you buy U.S. bonds are they assets or IOU's?
 
I you buy U.S. bonds are they assets or IOU's?

They are assets but try spending one at the grocery store, they have to be converted to cash and where is the cash coming from? Is your house an asset. Are your stocks and bonds assets? Have you ever tried to spend your house, stocks, and bonds to buy things that you need?
 
The historic $38 billion in budget cuts resulting from at-times hostile bargaining between Congress and the Obama White House were accomplished in large part by pruning money left over from previous years, using accounting sleight of hand and going after programs President Barack Obama had targeted anyway.

The details of the agreement reached late Friday night just ahead of a deadline for a partial government shutdown reveal a lot of one-time savings and cuts that officially "score" as cuts to pay for spending elsewhere, but often have little to no actual impact on the deficit.

As a result of the legerdemain, Obama was able to reverse many of the cuts passed by House Republicans in February when the chamber approved a bill slashing this year's budget by more than $60 billion. In doing so, the White House protected favorites like the Head Start early learning program, while maintaining the maximum Pell grant of $5,550 and funding for Obama's "Race to the Top" initiative that provides grants to better-performing schools.

My Way News - Budget tricks helped Obama save programs from cuts

spending IS the slasher

know the man

so called cuts are called out by the ASSOCIATED PRESS (you really think americans don't notice?) as funding "unspent," "unused," "leftover" appropriations which "can't be spent because of restrictions set by other legislation," such as "not repeating a one time infusion..."

the slasher is a charlatan, all can see

where's the leadership?

courage?

accountability?

candor?

know the man, he reveals himself every day, an empty suit housing a heart of hate for half this country
 
no one has suggested taxing such that the government takes the entirety of wealth of billionaires
but when we look back at 2000 when the shrub arrived on the scene, the government was throwing off a surplus
and dicknbush decided it was time to place the government into a deeper accumulated national deficit instead by reducing the tax burden primarily on the wealthy
that is much of what put us in today's fiscal conundrum
which is why we should now undo such stupidity
taxes are the lowest they have been in over a half century
do not mistake this to presume that spending should not be shaved. just as the deficit commission has presented, the solution involves increasing revenues while also decreasing expenditures
Obama, to his credit, echoed that when noting that republicans will express opposition to collecting more taxes while democrats will object to trimming government spending - especially for safety net programs
the reality is, the proposal of the deficit commission should be adopted

please again note that no one has come close to suggesting that the government appropriate the total wealth of every billionaire. stuff that straw man

It's not a straw man, it's just pointing out that retarded and moronic idea that you can generate sufficient revenue from adding 2-3% to the taxes that the highest income households pay, it's not gonna cut it.

If there aren't any large spending cuts to the big 3, Medicare, Medicaid and defense, you're aren't really doing anything but kicking the can.

One serious question to all liberals who do not support spending cuts to Medicare, why were those cuts ok when he passed the ObamaCare bill?
 
It's not a straw man, it's just pointing out that retarded and moronic idea that you can generate sufficient revenue from adding 2-3% to the taxes that the highest income households pay, it's not gonna cut it.

If there aren't any large spending cuts to the big 3, Medicare, Medicaid and defense, you're aren't really doing anything but kicking the can.

One serious question to all liberals who do not support spending cuts to Medicare, why were those cuts ok when he passed the ObamaCare bill?

As I recall, just letting the Bush tax cuts expire would account for somewhere around 75% of the budget shortfall. 1

So yes, and once again, tax revenues are part of the equation concerning debt/surplus. Changing the tax rate would generate more revenue and closing loop holes would generate even more. Like every issue we face, it's not black and white, one or the other, do this or die. We can adjust the tax rate and still cut a lot off fat off. It's a win/win situation.
 
As I recall, just letting the Bush tax cuts expire would account for somewhere around 75% of the budget shortfall. 1

So yes, and once again, tax revenues are part of the equation concerning debt/surplus. Changing the tax rate would generate more revenue and closing loop holes would generate even more. Like every issue we face, it's not black and white, one or the other, do this or die. We can adjust the tax rate and still cut a lot off fat off. It's a win/win situation.

How does letting all the Bush tax cuts affect the economy and growth? Think you put people back to work by increasing taxes on people who spend money? What does raising the taxes on the rich do to charitable giving? Stop buying what you are told and think about how tax increases affect you and thus the economy. Do you spend more or less when you have less take home pay?
 
As I recall, just letting the Bush tax cuts expire would account for somewhere around 75% of the budget shortfall. 1

So yes, and once again, tax revenues are part of the equation concerning debt/surplus. Changing the tax rate would generate more revenue and closing loop holes would generate even more. Like every issue we face, it's not black and white, one or the other, do this or die. We can adjust the tax rate and still cut a lot off fat off. It's a win/win situation.

So you're in favor of raising taxes on everyone?

Well I consider what is palatable for the average person, of course most people don't get that ending the "Bush tax cuts for the wealthy," means that everyone will have their taxes raised.
Because the Bush tax cuts were for everyone, not just the wealthy.

The other big problem is curbing the growth of medicare, that won't necessarily be covered by increase tax rates.
 
there's just no there there

his base buys it, they back barack the slasher's baiting

but normal neds and nells need ANSWERS

not nothings, not divisions

and the presidential SPLITTER is gonna have americans at each others' throats for the next 2 years

leadership, anyone?

President Barack Obama is outlining a deficit reduction plan Wednesday that calls for deep Medicare and Medicaid spending cuts, but through a stronger independent Medicare board and a new Medicaid funding formula rather than the structural changes Republicans want.

The rest of his plan relies on a number of cost-cutting devices — some new, some old — that avoid asking for sacrifices from nearly all of the seniors and low-income people who rely on the health care entitlement programs.

Obama is setting a new goal of saving $340 billion in Medicare and Medicaid costs over 10 years, and $480 billion by 2023, with another $1 trillion in savings in the decade after that, according to a fact sheet released by the White House.

But he would do it in part by beefing up the Independent Payment Advisory Board, one of the least popular parts of the health care law among most Republicans and some Democrats — as well as provider groups that fear the cuts it would recommend. The idea of expanding the board is unlikely to gain traction in Congress any time soon, especially since it assumes that Republicans would end their efforts to repeal or defund the law.

He’d also move to a single federal Medicaid matching rate for the states, a change with uncertain implications for states, which now receive a variety of different levels of federal help.

Overall, Obama’s plan calls for reducing the deficit by $4 trillion in 12 years, backed up by a “debt failsafe” provision that would make across-the-board spending cuts if the debt hasn’t stabilized by 2014 — but not to Medicare, Social Security or low-income programs.

Obama hopes to use the new Medicare and Medicaid plans to draw a contrast with the Republican budget plan outlined by Rep. Paul Ryan, arguing that there are ways to cut spending without forcing seniors and poor people to pick up the costs.

But in doing so, he also rejected some of the biggest money-savers proposed by his own bipartisan fiscal commission, led by Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles, that would force Medicare beneficiaries to share any of the sacrifices.

President Obama: I'll fix health care my way - David Nather - POLITICO.com

any PLAN that isn't a PLAN that fails to address medicare premiums, enrollment qualifications, retirement age and the states' desperate status relative to medicaid is all SHAM

and all responsible americans know it

barack the slasher hussein is a POSER

in times like these, his INACTION is a DISGRACE

when americans most expect LEADERSHIP he openly presents POLITICS

worse, the inevitable outcome of the pusillanimous punter's approach---health care RATIONING

seeya at the polls, progressives
 
As I recall, just letting the Bush tax cuts expire would account for somewhere around 75% of the budget shortfall.

Like every issue we face, it's not black and white, one or the other, do this or die. We can adjust the tax rate and still cut a lot off fat off. It's a win/win situation.

fine, tell harry to WRITE IT UP

tell him to HURRY

tell him to WAKE UP biden and get that COMMITTEE crunchin

confidence, anyone?
 
Obama is a leftwing ideologue who believes in a large central govt. and the nanny state. I believe he knows exactly what he is doing and that is destroying the foundation upon which this country was built.

He's been very lucky. The media has a lot to do with this. Oh, he's an ideologue, that's definite. You have to figure he's got the black vote, the sniff, sniff, poor. A lot of the MC thinks they're poor, but there are still some smart people who know what he's doing. I hope to God they come out to vote.

He does want to change everything because he thinks he's smarter than everybody. Did you see the group he was addressing about who needs SUV's. Nobody has that many kids. Some guy said he had ten. Obama was so condescending. He didn't know what to say. I can bet Obama probably had a Cadillac Escalade before he got elected. (cough, cough)
 
He's been very lucky. The media has a lot to do with this. Oh, he's an ideologue, that's definite. You have to figure he's got the black vote, the sniff, sniff, poor. A lot of the MC thinks they're poor, but there are still some smart people who know what he's doing. I hope to God they come out to vote.

He does want to change everything because he thinks he's smarter than everybody. Did you see the group he was addressing about who needs SUV's. Nobody has that many kids. Some guy said he had ten. Obama was so condescending. He didn't know what to say. I can bet Obama probably had a Cadillac Escalade before he got elected. (cough, cough)

He is best identified as a Community Organizer/Activist/Agitator certainly NOT a leader and has no business as President of the United States. His campaign speech yesterday was nothing but arrogance run amuck
 
If the conversation comes down to granny paying more for medical costs... Or taxing the rich, the GOP is ****ed.

Problem is many grannies can afford private insurance. I can only dream how many have transferred their money, home etc. to one of their kids. It has to be done so many years before you die, or the feds will come to get ya. I'm thinking between 3 to 8 yrs.

All these old people ain't poor. This group squacks the loudest, but they are a part of our many problems. They should offer these people opportunities to get private insurance that will actually pay better than Medicare. Most Seniors have supplemental insurance to pay for what Medicare doesn't.

It's coming down to everybody is going to give up, or we're gonna shrivel up fast.
 
That quote was in the Obama speech yesterday which apparently you didn't listen to. I further noted that you ran when the actual debt numbers were posted and how you actually left out intergovt. holdings which are future obligations thus debt

please post the excerpt from Obama's speech which contains that quote

and i didn't need to augment the data provided by the congressional budget office. it already documented that clinton turned an inherited annual deficit into an annual surplus - at least until the shrub showed up to bankrupt our nation
 
please post the excerpt from Obama's speech which contains that quote

and i didn't need to augment the data provided by the congressional budget office. it already documented that clinton turned an inherited annual deficit into an annual surplus - at least until the shrub showed up to bankrupt our nation

No, Clinton didn't have an annual deficit as the Treasury data shows. He had a public debt surplus but that is only part of the debt. You don't seem to grasp that concept. Do you realize how foolish this makes you look when you won't even acknowledge factual data?

Now why would you want me to prove it since you ignore data or any information that refutes your comments. Here is an example but Google the statement and see how many times it comes up

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/13/obama-outlines-his-deficit-reduction-policy/
 
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please post the excerpt from Obama's speech which contains that quote

and i didn't need to augment the data provided by the congressional budget office. it already documented that clinton turned an inherited annual deficit into an annual surplus - at least until the shrub showed up to bankrupt our nation

Just to show one more time that you didn't listen to the speech and simply buy what this empty suit tells you, read the speech and find the statement which is there a couple times. Notice I posted a leftwing blog so maybe you will believe the post there.

The Maddow Blog - President Obama's deficit speech

"The fourth step in our approach is to reduce spending in the tax code. In December, I agreed to extend the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans because it was the only way I could prevent a tax hike on middle-class Americans. But we cannot afford $1 trillion worth of tax cuts for every millionaire and billionaire in our society. And I refuse to renew them again.
 
today:

President Barack Obama extended a fiscal olive branch to Republicans on Wednesday. Then he beat them up with it.

Obama’s long-anticipated speech on the deficit at George Washington University was one of the oddest rhetorical hybrids of his presidency – a serious stab at reforming entitlements cloaked in a 2012 campaign speech that was one of the most overtly partisan broadsides he’s ever delivered from a podium with a presidential seal.

But the combative tenor of Obama’s remarks, which included a swipe at his potential GOP challengers in 2012, may have scuttled the stated purpose of the entire enterprise - starting negotiations with Republicans on a workable bipartisan approach to attacking the deficit.

And it didn’t build much good will ahead of other upcoming fights, especially the looming battle over raising the debt ceiling.

Republicans pronounced any tax hike dead on arrival. And Obama – none too eager to walk the tax plank alone ahead of a re-election year — intentionally left the details blank.

That left Democrats less than sanguine about the prospects for any deal anytime soon. Republicans, meanwhile, feel out of the loop, a point underscored when virtually no one on the GOP side got a heads-up that Obama planned to move ahead with Wednesday’s speech until senior adviser David Plouffe announced it on the Sunday political talk shows.

Barack Obama leaves GOP in no mood to deal - Glenn Thrush and Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

deal, anyone?

leadership?

barack the slasher hussein decided upon his bold course of action in the FIVE DAYS between ryan's revelation and plouffe's appearance on the sunday talks

the STAKES are planetary in scope and the slasher TEMPORIZES

in front of EVERYONE

ask roger simon's journolisters

such abnegation of responsibility---in times like these---is beyond EMBARRASSING

it's TRAGIC
 
No, Clinton didn't have an annual deficit as the Treasury data shows. He had a public debt surplus but that is only part of the debt. You don't seem to grasp that concept. Do you realize how foolish this makes you look when you won't even acknowledge factual data?

Now why would you want me to prove it since you ignore data or any information that refutes your comments. Here is an example but Google the statement and see how many times it comes up

Obama outlines deficit-reduction policy - Washington Times

thanks for the cite
i agree, that was an awkward way of saying we are pissing our revenues away because of loopholes in the tax code
 
Even the Gang of Six — the bipartisan group most invested in reaching a budget compromise — seemed perturbed with Obama, who they seemed to thing is big-footing their months of delicate negotiations.

Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.), one of the six, chafed at Obama’s suggestion that Biden begin regular meetings in May — with the hope of reaching a final agreement by the end of June.

“If that’s what he does, fine, but we’re going to continue to work in our group of six,” Chambliss said icily.

Asked if the Biden-led group would undermine the Gang of Six, Chambliss said Wednesday: “Anybody who has good ideas is welcome to give them to us.”

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) — a close Obama ally who is one of the group, put out a terse statement shortly after Obama’s speech, suggesting that the group’s talks would still move ahead.

“Our bipartisan group of six senators continues to work for a comprehensive solution to our nation’s debt,” Durbin said.

Barack Obama leaves GOP in no mood to deal - Glenn Thrush and Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

barack the slasher hussein---it's all about him
 
thanks for the cite
i agree, that was an awkward way of saying we are pissing our revenues away because of loopholes in the tax code

Awkward? It is a downright lie to say that people keeping more of their money is an expense to the govt. We don't have a revenue problem we have an overreaching Federal Govt. doing what states are supposed to do and thus a spending problem.
 
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