Page 44 of 46 FirstFirst ... 344243444546 LastLast
Results 431 to 440 of 459

Thread: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

  1. #431
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:11 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    8,358

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i can appreciate your frustration
    but can you appreciate theirs
    any chance you or anyone you know has actually offered them a job; offered to help them get into school?
    if they came up in the projects, it is quite possible that they believe their income automatically comes to their mailbox on the first week of the month. who have they had around them to model good work ethics. who has shown them that they need to have an employable skill if they want more than that easy check which arrives every month

    it is even less likely that anyone was around to model behavior to indicate to them they need to get their asses in a seat at school

    those of us who had jobs, who knew how to climb the career ladder usually had someone - often a parent - who served as a mentor to transfer that knowledge and understanding to us. it is not an innate instinct to know how to get a job and be successful. neither is it intuitive to know how to go about getting into school, or acquiring the monies to do so

    for a kid from the projects with no one guiding (pushing?) them, that would be a daunting expectation

    and in significant degree, because we are without a system which propels the underclass forward, they do only what they know. remain uneducated, unemployed and collect that monthly check. so they have LOTS of idle time. they can spend it in church, and i guarantee that many of those you see are churched, but they still have a LOT of time to spend on the streets (or in your park)

    as much as we would want motivation to come from within us, sometimes it must be initiated from the outside. we have generation after generation doing the same thing - without some intervention, why does anyone expect a different outcome?


    cutting the few helpful strands from their social safety net to balance our budget will not make things better ... and neither will it balance the budget
    First let me say that it is disrespectful to people and their parent(s) who live in projects to think they have no examples at home or within their family that has any education or works for a living. I say this not as some one who has read books about it but grew up with it. Many parents for any number of reasons work their butts off but do not do well financially. Many public school techers in the inner cities do care about their students and many students in the inner city strive to better themselves.

    New York, at least a bunch of years ago when I grew up their was filled with poor 1st or 2nd generation kids. Their parents were discriminated against and took lousy poor paying jobs, worked their butts off and instilled in their kids that the way way out was an education and maybe they could make it to a civil service job, where discrimination was a bit less. The last time I looked there are now Supreme Court Justices who came out of the New York public schools. And that was before their was a department of education to spend $60 billion on who knows what.

    How many of those kids coming from immigrant parents were offered jobs, instead of them pounding the streets LOOKING FOR JOBS. If people are disabled or have some problem that keeps them from working, those people deserve our help. The people who drink beer get in fights and look for handouts deserve a swift kick in the ass. If nothing else go into the armed forces, learn a trade and get a stipend for college when you get out.

    A safety net for everyone who feels it is beneth them to be a busboy as an example is B.S. I did that and all sorts of jobs I could get, no pats on the back. Just what I would expect anyone to do that respects their family and themselves.

    What is the saying: Everyone deserves equal opportunity not equal outcome. Not everyone starts from the same place. If that was an excuse for those who do not come from the top 5% to just say the heck with it, I quit now pay me what type of nation would we have.

  2. #432
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,151

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    obama's weekly saturday address, this morning (what used to be called the president's radio address):

    Barack Obama: GOP?s deficit plan ?wrong for America' - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com


    his newest emphasis:

    1. invest---education, student loans, green stuff and infrastructure

    2. the m's

    3. tax the rich

    4. defense cuts

    hollow---we'll comb the budget for savings

    empty---we must put aside our differences

    spurious---we'll build on the savings we started last week

    his details concerning entitlement reform---we'll eliminate waste, we'll increase efficiency

    upshot---we're right back where we were, except for the augmentation of partisanship and division

    leadership, anyone?


    WHERE'S THE PLAN?
    1. invest---education, student loans, green stuff and infrastructure
    then you believe the next generation should be ignorant, dependent on oil imports - such that it taints our middle east foreign policy, and the infrastructure which allows our economy to remain globally competitive should be allowed to decay

    i so hope the GOP runs with that platform

    2. the m's
    as is often the case, this portion of your post was nonsensical

    3. tax the rich
    if the nation is without sufficient revenue to allow government to do what it needs, then we can either borrow the money or increase tax revenues. since the only category of citizen which has seen an increase in income since the dicknbush era was that of the wealthy, that would appear to be the best place to go for additional tax revenue

    yes. i know the GOP proposes to slash the medical budget such that the elderly will be expected to pony up the dollars to offset the $Trillion dollar tax giveaway to millionaires and billionaires, but unfortunately for you, Obama has clued the country in on this unfair republican tradeoff. one huge reason the reich wing is so pissed about Obama's recent address to the nation

    4. defense cuts
    there are over 700 military installations worldwide (that we know about)
    $685 Billion spent on the military last year
    [This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance, cleanup, and production, which is in the Department of Energy budget, Veterans Affairs, the Treasury Department's payments in pensions to military retirees and widows and their families, interest on debt incurred in past wars, or State Department financing of foreign arms sales and militarily-related development assistance. Neither does it include defense spending that is not military in nature, such as the Department of Homeland Security, counter-terrorism spending by the FBI, and intelligence-gathering spending by NASA.]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
    it is believed that the USA, with 5% of the world's population, spends 40% of the the amount spent on arms in the world. our military expenditure is SIX times that of china
    we have spent over a $Trillion in a war to oust a dictator we previously propped up. that does not count the 4,447 lives of American youth and in excess of 33,000 wounded. we incurred those losses for no good reason. iraq posed NO danger to the national security of the USA
    so, all told, (and all totaled), there does appear to be significant waste which could be eliminated from our defense expenditures to assist our efforts to again balance our nation's budget


    WHERE'S THE PLAN?
    you posted it and then pretend not to see it
    must be a republican shortsightedness thing
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  3. #433
    Professor

    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Last Seen
    03-23-13 @ 02:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,265

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    justabubba;1059414341]1. invest---education, student loans, green stuff and infrastructure
    then you believe the next generation should be ignorant, dependent on oil imports - such that it taints our middle east foreign policy, and the infrastructure which allows our economy to remain globally competitive should be allowed to decay

    i so hope the GOP runs with that platform
    Yep .. and what is your liberal answer to the education problem in the US … why of course throw more money at it, we already spend more per student in grades k-12 then any nation in the world with diminishing results. The supposed intelligent response of liberals like yourself .. . spend more. In fact that is your answer to eveything in the above post... just tax and spend more. Hell thats been the solution of liberals forever, and it certainly hasn't done very well.





    3. tax the rich
    if the nation is without sufficient revenue to allow government to do what it needs, then we can either borrow the money or increase tax revenues. since the only category of citizen which has seen an increase in income since the dicknbush era was that of the wealthy, that would appear to be the best place to go for additional tax revenue
    Interesting concept you have on the tax cuts that was passed during the Bush years, seeing the greatest percentage in those tax cuts went to the middle class and poor. So besides those tax cuts to the wealthy as liberals like to call them, what other law was passed during the Bush years that made the wealthy.... even more wealthy? Surely it couldn't be the whopping 3% tax cut only that they got, if that was so, then those in the lowest income should really have gained more wealth as they received a 5% tax cut. So what other laws were passed that favored only the wealthy during the Bush years ??

    yes. i know the GOP proposes to slash the medical budget such that the elderly will be expected to pony up the dollars to offset the $Trillion dollar tax giveaway to millionaires and billionaires, but unfortunately for you, Obama has clued the country in on this unfair republican tradeoff. one huge reason the reich wing is so pissed about Obama's recent address to the nation
    It's always the very same thing with you .. those evil rich people, you need to get a new song and dance routine. As for the elderly, I'm sure that in your limited mental thinking, that Obama's cuts of 500 billion, isn't going to cut benefits at all either... oh no … thats just all waste and fraud, right ? Proving once again, a liberal will believe anything his master tells him.


    4. defense cuts
    there are over 700 military installations worldwide (that we know about)
    $685 Billion spent on the military last year
    [This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance, cleanup, and production, which is in the Department of Energy budget, Veterans Affairs, the Treasury Department's payments in pensions to military retirees and widows and their families, interest on debt incurred in past wars, or State Department financing of foreign arms sales and militarily-related development assistance. Neither does it include defense spending that is not military in nature, such as the Department of Homeland Security, counter-terrorism spending by the FBI, and intelligence-gathering spending by NASA.]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
    it is believed that the USA, with 5% of the world's population, spends 40% of the the amount spent on arms in the world. our military expenditure is SIX times that of china
    we have spent over a $Trillion in a war to oust a dictator we previously propped up. that does not count the 4,447 lives of American youth and in excess of 33,000 wounded. we incurred those losses for no good reason. iraq posed NO danger to the national security of the USA
    so, all told, (and all totaled), there does appear to be significant waste which could be eliminated from our defense expenditures to assist our efforts to again balance our nation's budget
    685 billion spent on our military, that employees over 2 million people that pay taxes .. SS and Medicare. While at the same time serve and protect our country. Yet you find that to be just terrible.

    Yet we spend over 600 billion dollars a year on people at or below the poverty level, those people that pay nothing in and of the federal taxes collected, don't protect this country from anything, and are the most apt to end up in our prison systems, that costs us even more. And you answer for this is to give them more, make excuses for them. How about this .. every dollar cut from defense, we get an equal dollar cut from our welfare system?

  4. #434
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    LOL!

    so nasty

    almost as bitter as the slasher himself

    if the m's are such a godsend why are they killing us

    if obamacare is the answer why does weiner wanna waiver

    the only plans coming out of the slasher's white house were:

    Dems won't pass 2010 budget

    Obama unveils $3.73 trillion budget for 2012 - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

    cuz that's all there is

    in the way of a PLAN, that is

    hurry, harry, make the slasher's excellent speech, his great speech, come REAL

    interest on the debt alone is racing towards 1T per year

  5. #435
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    we already spend more per student in grades k-12 then any nation in the world with diminishing results.
    true

    from cuomo's state of the state, february: "we spend more money on education than any state in the nation and we are number 34 in terms of results"

    say what you will, at least the dem scion from dark blue new york is taking real action in our serious times

    as for money:

    GAO Finds Massive Waste, Duplication - FoxBusiness.com

    no less than the gao reported it had found a full half trillion dollars of waste and duplication and fraud, mismanagement, corruption...

    further, "most of it came in fiscal years 09 and 10"

    moreover, MOST programs have never been "evaluated for efficiency"

    "little is known of the effectiveness of MOST (emphasis mine) programs"

    money is not the answer

    685 billion spent on our military
    and the slasher now has us underwriting THREE wars

    the question of 2012---does america need major entitlement reform

    republicans say yes

    barack the slasher hussein says no

  6. #436
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i so hope the GOP runs with that platform
    the gop platform is---america needs major budget reform

    present leadership is unamenable to and incapable of executing that agenda

    seeya at the polls, progressives

    bring that excellent speech, that great speech

  7. #437
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Yep .. and what is your liberal answer to the education problem in the US … why of course throw more money at it, we already spend more per student in grades k-12 then any nation in the world with diminishing results. The supposed intelligent response of liberals like yourself .. . spend more. In fact that is your answer to eveything in the above post... just tax and spend more. Hell thats been the solution of liberals forever, and it certainly hasn't done very well.







    Interesting concept you have on the tax cuts that was passed during the Bush years, seeing the greatest percentage in those tax cuts went to the middle class and poor. So besides those tax cuts to the wealthy as liberals like to call them, what other law was passed during the Bush years that made the wealthy.... even more wealthy? Surely it couldn't be the whopping 3% tax cut only that they got, if that was so, then those in the lowest income should really have gained more wealth as they received a 5% tax cut. So what other laws were passed that favored only the wealthy during the Bush years ??



    It's always the very same thing with you .. those evil rich people, you need to get a new song and dance routine. As for the elderly, I'm sure that in your limited mental thinking, that Obama's cuts of 500 billion, isn't going to cut benefits at all either... oh no … thats just all waste and fraud, right ? Proving once again, a liberal will believe anything his master tells him.




    685 billion spent on our military, that employees over 2 million people that pay taxes .. SS and Medicare. While at the same time serve and protect our country. Yet you find that to be just terrible.

    Yet we spend over 600 billion dollars a year on people at or below the poverty level, those people that pay nothing in and of the federal taxes collected, don't protect this country from anything, and are the most apt to end up in our prison systems, that costs us even more. And you answer for this is to give them more, make excuses for them. How about this .. every dollar cut from defense, we get an equal dollar cut from our welfare system?
    Now you have "done it" confused justbubba with facts, logic, and common sense which will force him to do what he did when I did the same thing, ignore the post only to come back a day or so later with the same tired old rhetoric. Nothing changes the mind of a cult follower and unfortunately there are a number of them who believes rhetoric trumps actual results.

  8. #438
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    This man makes more sense than the campaigner in chief, wonder how many Obama supporters have the guts to listen and then respond?

    YouTube - 4/14/11: Sen. Rand Paul Speaks Out Against the Continuing Resolution

  9. #439
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,123

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Understanding the Presidents' New Budget

    an excellent, excellent analysis. the punchline:
    Analysis

    Here are four broad reactions to the new proposal.

    First, this is a short-term budget, not a long-term budget. There are three forces driving our long-run government spending and deficit problem:

    1. demographics;
    2. unsustainable growth in per capita health spending; and
    3. unsustainable promises made by past elected officials, enshrined in entitlement benefit formulas.

    The Presidentís proposal addresses none of these forces. It instead spends most of its effort on everything but those factors. His proposed Medicare and Medicaid savings, while large in aggregate dollars, are quite small relative to the total amount to be spent on those programs, and he lets the largest program in the federal budget (Social Security) grow unchecked. While Bowles and Simpson focused their efforts on the major entitlements and also addressed other spending areas and taxes, the Presidentís proposal does the reverse, focusing on other mandatory spending, taxes, and defense. Thatís a short-term focus.

    Second, this proposal ďfeelsĒ to me like the recently concluded discretionary spending deal. Itís the size of a typical deficit reduction bill that Congress usually does every five or so years. Iím sure the affected interest groups are even now preparing to invade Washington to explain how a 3-5% cut will devastate them. The problem is that our fiscal problems are now so big that they require much larger policy changes.

    Third, while framed as a centrist proposal, the substance leans pretty far left. Itís deficit reduction through (triggered) tax increases on the rich, plus defense cuts, plus unspecified other mandatory cuts and process mechanisms that might cut Medicare provider payments. Centrist Democrat proposals do all of these things, but they also reform Social Security and Medicare, usually through a combination of raising the eligibility age, means-testing, and raising taxes.

    Fourth, the Presidentís speech was campaign-like in its characterization of and attacks on the Ryan plan.

    The Presidentís proposal could be the opening bid in a negotiation with Congressional Republicans. When you combine this substance with the Presidentís aggressive partisan attacks and framing of the Ryan budget, however, itís hard to see how this leads to a big fiscal deal this year or next. A small incremental bill, which ďcutsĒ spending by a couple hundred billion dollars over the next decade, is possible. But the chances of a long-term grand bargain in the next two years just plummeted from an already low starting point.
    Last edited by cpwill; 04-17-11 at 11:45 AM.

  10. #440
    Sage

    Donc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    out yonder
    Last Seen
    12-06-17 @ 09:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    9,426

    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Understanding the Presidents' New Budget

    an excellent, excellent analysis. the punchline:

    I believe that letting the bush tax cuts expire will answer Almost $1.2 Trillion of the problem over the next ten years.Social Security? Taking the cap off will cure that one. Implement Medicare for all takes healthcare off the table. Stop a couple of wars, close a few unnecessary bases, problem solved.
    Last edited by Donc; 04-17-11 at 03:08 PM.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

Page 44 of 46 FirstFirst ... 344243444546 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •