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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In Debate, there is no obvious evidence. That is not how debate works. If it is so obvious, just present it so we can verify it and examine it. You make a claim, you support the claim with evidence, we examine it and challenge it or accept it. That is how this works. This is not the I BELIEVE site. It is the DEBATE POLITICS site.
    sorry I don't recall ANYONE apointing you the master debator or lord high imposer of the rules

    and you spew crap constantly that doesn't meet your own biased rules



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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    big picture: if medicare, medicaid and social security are such wonderful programs, then why are all three in such dire need of fixing

    why are all three, absent some kinda periclean leadership, quickly on course to kill us

    y'need evidence?

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sorry I don't recall ANYONE apointing you the master debator or lord high imposer of the rules

    and you spew crap constantly that doesn't meet your own biased rules
    And that little retort is suppose to justify your scorn for presenting actual evidence to support your allegations and pontifications?

    Try again and this time come back with something more than just attacking me.

    I have been on sites like this for many years and i have never come up against one person who actually comes out and says they do NOT need evidence to support their claims. Not one. So you are in a class by yourself Turtle.
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And that little retort is suppose to justify your scorn for presenting actual evidence to support your allegations and pontifications?

    Try again and this time come back with something more than just attacking me.

    I have been on sites like this for many years and i have never come up against one person who actually comes out and says they do NOT need evidence to support their claims. Not one. So you are in a class by yourself Turtle.

    Your claims of expertise are unsupported by evidence

    what we do know is that you have supported a system that allows the many to vote away the wealth of others



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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    remember this one:

    barack obama (before he became the slasher hussein) in january, 2010, addressing the consternation in his caucus about the upcoming shellacking they could all see coming, just like 1994---"the big difference between now and 94 is you've got me"

    The Big Difference Between 2010 and 1994 Is Me - Political Punch

    know the man

    they say we all can't pay the rent
    before it's earned our money's all been spent
    i don't know, my dear, you aint got a pot
    but at least i'm sure of all the things that you got
    me
    you got me, babe
    you got me, babe...

    LOL!

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In Texas, anybody who has been convicted of a drug related crime is ineligible for food stamps. I believe that this is going to far. If it was just the druggie, I wouldn't give a damn, but I do give a damn about the druggie's kids.

    I didn't see anything about convicted or paroled felons hanging in that park, only that able bodied men were hanging there drinking and drugging all day, every day, bringing down property values, making the park uninhabitable for kids to play in, and generally menacing to the community. Then when he sees them again they are paying for food with a program originally meant to go to families with NO male in the house, and only the mother to take care of the children.

    Now, I don't know why you injected the criminal aspect into GPS's observations, but I suspect it was to dismiss that these men who fail to get their lazy arses to work are a severe part of the problem we now face.

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    obama's weekly saturday address, this morning (what used to be called the president's radio address):

    Barack Obama: GOP?s deficit plan ?wrong for America' - MJ Lee - POLITICO.com

    his newest emphasis:

    1. invest---education, student loans, green stuff and infrastructure

    2. the m's

    3. tax the rich

    4. defense cuts

    hollow---we'll comb the budget for savings

    empty---we must put aside our differences

    spurious---we'll build on the savings we started last week

    his details concerning entitlement reform---we'll eliminate waste, we'll increase efficiency

    upshot---we're right back where we were, except for the augmentation of partisanship and division

    leadership, anyone?

    WHERE'S THE PLAN?

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    after all the histrionics echo away, americans perceive:

    2012 campaign bottom line---does america need major entitlement reform?

    republicans say yes

    barack the slasher says no

    seeya at the polls, progressives

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Hold on!!!

    Nearly 50% of Americans don't pay federal income taxes and 60% recieve more from the government than they pay in taxes. Americans who don't pay taxes still get to vote to raise taxes on those of us who do.

    I live in a bad neighborhood and there is a park within view of my home. All day long there are dozens of people who hang out alllllll daaay Lonnnnnng and drink, do drugs and fight, every day, weather permitting.
    They are all healthy and fully capable of working or going to school but they choose to hang out in the park and party. When I see them in the grocery store, they are paying with food stamps.

    Call me an elitist for thinking they should lose the right to vote and get drugged tested if they are on welfare but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they are going to vote for whoever promises to take more money from “rich” people and give it to them so they can keep partying and never need to go get a job.
    i can appreciate your frustration
    but can you appreciate theirs
    any chance you or anyone you know has actually offered them a job; offered to help them get into school?
    if they came up in the projects, it is quite possible that they believe their income automatically comes to their mailbox on the first week of the month. who have they had around them to model good work ethics. who has shown them that they need to have an employable skill if they want more than that easy check which arrives every month

    it is even less likely that anyone was around to model behavior to indicate to them they need to get their asses in a seat at school

    those of us who had jobs, who knew how to climb the career ladder usually had someone - often a parent - who served as a mentor to transfer that knowledge and understanding to us. it is not an innate instinct to know how to get a job and be successful. neither is it intuitive to know how to go about getting into school, or acquiring the monies to do so

    for a kid from the projects with no one guiding (pushing?) them, that would be a daunting expectation

    and in significant degree, because we are without a system which propels the underclass forward, they do only what they know. remain uneducated, unemployed and collect that monthly check. so they have LOTS of idle time. they can spend it in church, and i guarantee that many of those you see are churched, but they still have a LOT of time to spend on the streets (or in your park)

    as much as we would want motivation to come from within us, sometimes it must be initiated from the outside. we have generation after generation doing the same thing - without some intervention, why does anyone expect a different outcome?


    cutting the few helpful strands from their social safety net to balance our budget will not make things better ... and neither will it balance the budget
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the evidence is obvious-you pretend it doesn't exist because it demonstrates how pathetic your desires are. you have constantly defended the system that allows the many to vote up-through the people they elect-the taxes of the top tax payers.
    spoken like someone who has no belief in democratic elections
    spoken like someone who insists that those of his ilk know what is best for the rest of us
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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