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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    It's about time we confront the 'job-creators' myth head on... The Bush Tax cuts have been in place 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011... the Job Creators, my butt!!

    Don't be timid on the capitol gains taxes. And cut the loopholes for companies that set up addresses in tax havens. You do business here. You pay taxes here.
    According to Obama, the government is the only one that can create jobs.
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quick thoughts on the President's speech:

    1. He has now added his voice to the larger fiscal consolidation discussion. That is a potentially welcome development, but the important thing will be whether agreement can be achieved that leads to credible fiscal consolidation. In other words, the results will be what matters.

    2. The President's approach requires on spending cuts for 2/3 of the deficit reduction ($2T spending cuts) and 1/3 on taxes ($1T taxes). The additional $1T trillion in savings would materialize from reduced interest payments, which are a function of deficit savings (2/3 of which would come from spending reductions and 1/3 from taxes) and interest rates.

    It should be noted that CNN treated the interest savings as a spending cut, stating that 75% of the deficit reduction would be achieved from spending cuts. However, that is technically incorrect. Interest savings are not a spending cut. The government does not possess the freedom to cut its interest payments to whatever figure it wants outside of default. Instead, those savings can only be achieved by slower growth in the nation's debt than what is projected for the current fiscal path. That relatively slower growth in the nation's debt would be achieved by the mix of spending reductions and tax revenue increases. Hence, that same mix should properly be attributed to the interest savings.

    3. Many critical details remain to be resolved. For example, the President noted that reduced growth in domestic discretionary spending would yield $750 billion in savings over the next 12 years. Aside from providing a few details as to what he did not plan to cut (investments in medical research, clean energy, new roads, new airports, broadband access, education, and job training), he did not spell out what programs would actually be reduced and by how much.

    4. With respect to Defense Department savings, he stated that he would work with Secretary of Defense Gates and the Joint Chiefs on a review. Those details are subject to the review.

    5. On health care spending, even as he had previously acknowledged that Medicare and Medicaid are key drivers of the nation's fiscal challenge, he relied on the political favorite of reducing waste and fraud ("wasteful subsidies and erroneous payments). He did mention that Medicare would negotiate prescription drug prices. He promised to work with governors "to demand more efficiency and accountability" from Medicaid. Even as he offered few details, he declared that an additional $500 billion in savings would be realized from Medicare and Medicaid. But without the specifics, it is difficult to determine how feasible that estimate is.

    My concern with the concept is that it does not place enough emphasis on Medicare and Medicaid reforms. With details lacking, it is difficult to see whether the two programs that are major drivers of the nation's fiscal imbalances, would be fundamentally reformed. The implicit assumption might be that cosmetic changes would be more likely. If, in fact, that is the case, then progress along the President's path could be temporary. Ultimately, the largely unreformed Medicare and Medicaid imbalances would erode and then reverse the progress. For now, I'm hesitant to argue that there wouldn't be serious reform of those programs, but the speech (emphasis only on prescription drugs and mainly on waste/fraud/efficiency savings) appears to discount fundamental reforms.

    6. No increase in the Social Security eligibility age, much less linking the age to life expectancy was offered. Yet, in macroeconomic terms, that would be relatively neutral, as it would have little impact on personal consumption expenditures.

    7. The magnitude of savings is less than those proposed by Bowles-Simpson and Congressman Paul Ryan. In addition, the timeframe involved is somewhat lengthier.

    8. He proposes a trigger ("debt failsafe") should the nation's debt as a share of GDP not stabilize and then decline as projected by 2014 or if Congress fails to act. However, without details, it is difficult to know how this process would work, whether there is assurance that it would work, and also its constitutionality.

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Quick thoughts on the President's speech:

    1. He has now added his voice to the larger fiscal consolidation discussion. That is a potentially welcome development, but the important thing will be whether agreement can be achieved that leads to credible fiscal consolidation. In other words, the results will be what matters.

    2. The President's approach requires on spending cuts for 2/3 of the deficit reduction ($2T spending cuts) and 1/3 on taxes ($1T taxes). The additional $1T trillion in savings would materialize from reduced interest payments, which are a function of deficit savings (2/3 of which would come from spending reductions and 1/3 from taxes) and interest rates.

    It should be noted that CNN treated the interest savings as a spending cut, stating that 75% of the deficit reduction would be achieved from spending cuts. However, that is technically incorrect. Interest savings are not a spending cut. The government does not possess the freedom to cut its interest payments to whatever figure it wants outside of default. Instead, those savings can only be achieved by slower growth in the nation's debt than what is projected for the current fiscal path. That relatively slower growth in the nation's debt would be achieved by the mix of spending reductions and tax revenue increases. Hence, that same mix should properly be attributed to the interest savings.

    3. Many critical details remain to be resolved. For example, the President noted that reduced growth in domestic discretionary spending would yield $750 billion in savings over the next 12 years. Aside from providing a few details as to what he did not plan to cut (investments in medical research, clean energy, new roads, new airports, broadband access, education, and job training), he did not spell out what programs would actually be reduced and by how much.

    4. With respect to Defense Department savings, he stated that he would work with Secretary of Defense Gates and the Joint Chiefs on a review. Those details are subject to the review.

    5. On health care spending, even as he had previously acknowledged that Medicare and Medicaid are key drivers of the nation's fiscal challenge, he relied on the political favorite of reducing waste and fraud ("wasteful subsidies and erroneous payments). He did mention that Medicare would negotiate prescription drug prices. He promised to work with governors "to demand more efficiency and accountability" from Medicaid. Even as he offered few details, he declared that an additional $500 billion in savings would be realized from Medicare and Medicaid. But without the specifics, it is difficult to determine how feasible that estimate is.

    My concern with the concept is that it does not place enough emphasis on Medicare and Medicaid reforms. With details lacking, it is difficult to see whether the two programs that are major drivers of the nation's fiscal imbalances, would be fundamentally reformed. The implicit assumption might be that cosmetic changes would be more likely. If, in fact, that is the case, then progress along the President's path could be temporary. Ultimately, the largely unreformed Medicare and Medicaid imbalances would erode and then reverse the progress. For now, I'm hesitant to argue that there wouldn't be serious reform of those programs, but the speech (emphasis only on prescription drugs and mainly on waste/fraud/efficiency savings) appears to discount fundamental reforms.

    6. No increase in the Social Security eligibility age, much less linking the age to life expectancy was offered. Yet, in macroeconomic terms, that would be relatively neutral, as it would have little impact on personal consumption expenditures.

    7. The magnitude of savings is less than those proposed by Bowles-Simpson and Congressman Paul Ryan. In addition, the timeframe involved is somewhat lengthier.

    8. He proposes a trigger ("debt failsafe") should the nation's debt as a share of GDP not stabilize and then decline as projected by 2014 or if Congress fails to act. However, without details, it is difficult to know how this process would work, whether there is assurance that it would work, and also its constitutionality.
    You will never see major reforms of medicare or medicaid in a Democrat budget in a gazillion years. Did I say 'never'? Well let me say it a few more times so you understand the magnitude of the word 'never'.
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    You used the phrase 'without details' quite a bit there Don. With just cause. His speech was, as always, short on details.

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You used the phrase 'without details' quite a bit there Don. With just cause. His speech was, as always, short on details.
    In Obama's mind details are for someone else to hammer out so that he can, as always take the ideological name calling to new hights.


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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is so sacrosanct about the middle class? We're in big fiscal trouble. Everyone needs to share the pain. Ya' know those 47% that pay no income tax at all??? Those 71 million? Time they started paying, too. If they did, maybe they'd exercise their power to vote a little more carefully and help the rest of us stop this spending spree. 47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009

    Link that Ryan's plan gives an additional 25% cut in income taxes, please.

    Who said the middle class is sacrosanct, YOU and only you said that, who said the middleclass shouldnt share the pain, I didnt...now ill ask you
    Who the hell are the richest americans to keep getting tax cuts when were BROKE and wanting the middle class and the poor to take hits..
    Paul Ryans plan is full of **** 25% straight up tax cut for Americans ONLY AT THE TOP RATE and the same for Corporations, this is AFTER the bush tax cuts are extended...then he and YOU want the middle class and the poor to pay more to fix the debt and give the rich more money....you people must think everyone is stupid.
    Ill say this again and stay tuned...if the teaparty wants to go far right they will eventually get spanked just like the far left did.

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    I heard his speech and I laugh my ass off, this useless human being is not even serious about anything but running for president again.
    We're coming up on an election. I doubt many Republicans are serious about doing anything other than winning the election for their party.

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Who the hell are the richest americans to keep getting tax cuts when were BROKE and wanting the middle class and the poor to take hits..
    Who are the so called "rich"?

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    We're coming up on an election. I doubt many Republicans are serious about doing anything other than winning the election for their party.
    It won't take much for the Reps. to win the next election. Americans are fed up with the president that has done nothing but spend 3 trillion Dlls. in 2 and 1/2 years and bankrupting the country.
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

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    He's making a political move. He wants to own the budget reduction debate.
    Well, he didn't do a very good job. I thought his speech was kind of a mess for Democrats. I think he made an excellent case for why the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy should expire, but he didn't contribute any concrete idea for fixing any of the big programs. This gives Republicans an easy opportunity to portray him as addicted to spending and not serious about cutting the budget.

    He better get Biden in those meetings pronto so Democrats have a counter to Ryan's plan fast. Or hope that the Gang of Six release their proposal soon.

    The line of the speech, though, was "They want to give people like me a two hundred thousand dollar tax cut that’s paid for by asking thirty three seniors to each pay six thousand dollars more in health costs?"
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