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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    i missed the problem

    Obama painted an accurate picture of the situation we are in. such as denying medical care to the elderly so that tax breaks can be given to billionaires

    a reality the republicans will resent being put on public display

    from my vantage, that can be the only problem the republicans have with Obama's address. nothing prevent the six from continuing to engage in negotiations
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    today:

    President Obama says his 2006 vote against raising the debt limit was "political" and that he wasn't thinking about "what was important for the country.

    Here's what Obama told ABC News's George Stephanopoulos: "I think that itís important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a ... president. When youíre a senator, traditionally whatís happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit for the United States by a trillion dollars. ... As president, you start realizing: 'You know what? We -- we canít play around with this stuff. This is the full faith in credit of the United States.' And so that was just a example of a new senator, you know, making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And Iím the first one to acknowledge it."
    The Obama Presidency. Minute by Minute | POLITICO 44

    leadership, anyone?

    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Awkward? It is a downright lie to say that people keeping more of their money is an expense to the govt. We don't have a revenue problem we have an overreaching Federal Govt. doing what states are supposed to do and thus a spending problem.
    while it was awkwardly stated, it was on target
    those billionaires would have been unable to realize a continuation of the dicknbush tax giveaway but for the republicans holding the unemployment benefits of millions of Americans hostage
    that resulting unrealized tax revenue causes our accumulated national deficit to grow even larger
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Obama painted an accurate picture of the situation we are in.
    tell picasso to put down the brush and pick up the pen

    a reality the republicans will resent being put on public display
    if we didn't want it on display we wouldn't have WRITTEN IT UP

    from my vantage, that can be the only problem the republicans have with Obama's address. nothing prevent the six from continuing to engage in negotiations
    your vantage point, apparently, differs from the WHIP's

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    while it was awkwardly stated, it was on target
    then write it up

    and hurry

    but if it's so on target why wasn't it part of the 2011 budget which was never submitted or the 2012 piece which was

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    tell picasso to put down the brush and pick up the pen
    you tell him. don't think he will hear you from his grave

    if we didn't want it on display we wouldn't have WRITTEN IT UP
    what you resent being put on display is how you will take education money, health care money, environment care money, and trade it to "justify" tax breaks for billionaires
    Obama did a sterling job of presenting your "write up" in a way the ordinary citizen will recognize it gives the citizen the short end of the stick. Obama made it evident the republican party is bought an paid for. in that address, Obama showed us all the receipt

    your vantage point, apparently, differs from the WHIP's
    surprised mensa isn't contacting you after that difficult conclusion
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    so all that remains for the slasher is class warfare and demagoguery

    ie, no plan, no budget, no reform, no touching entitlements, no deal, no reachout...

    just a politcal stump speech, a nasty one at that, all politics

    and of course, more of the same---spend, spend, spend

    and all the above done desperately IMPROMPTU, an afternoon's improvisation, shamed into action by the house budget chair's PLAN which, in humiliating contrast to the slasher's, is REAL

    everyone SAW it

    leadership, anyone?

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Obama did a sterling job of presenting your "write up" in a way the ordinary citizen will recognize it gives the citizen the short end of the stick.
    then harry'll have something by june

    america's WAITING

    we'll still be HERE

    tick tock...

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i missed the problem

    Obama painted an accurate picture of the situation we are in. such as denying medical care to the elderly so that tax breaks can be given to billionaires

    a reality the republicans will resent being put on public display

    from my vantage, that can be the only problem the republicans have with Obama's address. nothing prevent the six from continuing to engage in negotiations
    Not sure if you are looking to debate an issue or just making a statement. If you are trying to make a debating point let me try and take the other side.

    I no of no one who thinks that Medicare in it's current form is sustainable. People who make long term projections say that Medicare funding is short by about $30 trillion. I am not in favor of the "Ryan plan" but understand we need to do something.

    As to taxes, I personally have no problem raising the rates to Clinton era days. As a matter I would propose a super bracket for the true high income folks, as an example over $5 million at a 50-60% rate. If you live in the NE you know that calling people who make $250K rich is just not reality.

    Saying that, raising the tax rate on the higher incomes only adds about $750 billion over ten years, hardly enough to cover the hole we are in as it relates to Medicare. Now if you took away the entire bush tax cuts that would be an increase in revenues of about $3-4 trillion, but Obama does not go there, no shared sacrifice.

    Bottom line, neither side seems serious yet about trying to solve this issue. to say as you did above it is above preserving tax breaks while somewhat true is really a strawman as tax increases alone can't fix this problem.

    BTW- Medicare while a huge looming problem is not close to the root cause or really any of the reason we currently have a $1.6 trillion deficit.

    Just so you know i have been in to many angry back and forths on this site, and really have no interest in that type of "debate". If you care to parry back on issues, great. If not feel free not to respond.

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But it's not up to the President to provide details. Remember, it's Congress who proposes, writes, and and passes bills. All the President does, technically, is sign a bill into law or veto a bill. He can't even propose a bill - if he wants a law made he has to convince a Congressman or Senator to propose it for him.

    De facto, yes, the President has the ability to influence the writing of a bill. But in this budget bill, there's so many different factions already - Tea Party House Republicans, social conservative House Republicans, moderate House Republicans, conservative House Democrats, progressive House Democrats, Senate Democrats, and Senate Republicans - that the last thing we need is someone else demanding specifics.

    I don't think the President - even if he was a Republican President - deserves much blame for what's going on regarding this budget. Rather, the blame goes to our politicians in Congress for not being able to make practical compromises. Then again, that's not surprising when the American people tend to be uncomfortable with compromises nowadays and vote out politicians who do.

    So maybe it's more our own fault than anyone elses'.
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