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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If this is really true, it doesn't make much sense spending so much of your time here at DP. I'll bet your only one paying $300K a year in FIT that spends major time on a forum such as DP.
    Nah i know a conservative forum that has alot of members loaded up in cash...and all they talk about is shafting the working class...no one is entitled to a pension or health benefits they say...everyone has to pay for their own..and everyone should be happy some rich guy gives them a job and should accept whatever he wants to give them ..unions should be abolished by law private and public and there should be one tax rate for everyone....so to break it down they are all full of crap and full of themselves. Oh and thats why I left and searched for two weeks for another home.. This place is great...I love the diverse membership...you actually get to learn things hearing all sides...

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    How much is a trillion?

    If you were the most generous boss in the world, with a workforce of 1,000 people making an average of $1,000 per hour, your payroll would be $1,000,000 per hour, or $40 million for a forty hour week, just over $2B per year. At that rate, it would take nearly 500 years to pay out a trillion.

    A hundred dollar bill weighs one gram. A thousand, then weigh a kilogram, and a million weigh a metric ton and are worth $100 million. Ten tons = a billion, and 10,000 tons = a trillion. Currently, the deficit amounts to 15, 000 tons of hundred dollar bills. The budget = 37,000 tons, and the debt is 140,000 tons of hundreds.

    Can you imagine a pile of hundreds that weighs 37,000 tons? If you were to load them into a train with a fork lift capable of lifting a ton, and if you could load one every ten minutes, it would take you 370,000 minutes to load that train. That's over 6,000 hours. Working ten hour days, it would take the fork lift operator more than 600 days, nearly two years. Taking only limited time off for vacations, probably working six day weeks, two operators would have to operate two fork lifts loading $100 bills one ton at at time to feed the federal government.

    Mind boggling, isn't it?
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How much is a trillion?

    If you were the most generous boss in the world, with a workforce of 1,000 people making an average of $1,000 per hour, your payroll would be $1,000,000 per hour, or $40 million for a forty hour week, just over $2B per year. At that rate, it would take nearly 500 years to pay out a trillion.

    A hundred dollar bill weighs one gram. A thousand, then weigh a kilogram, and a million weigh a metric ton and are worth $100 million. Ten tons = a billion, and 10,000 tons = a trillion. Currently, the deficit amounts to 15, 000 tons of hundred dollar bills. The budget = 37,000 tons, and the debt is 140,000 tons of hundreds.

    Can you imagine a pile of hundreds that weighs 37,000 tons? If you were to load them into a train with a fork lift capable of lifting a ton, and if you could load one every ten minutes, it would take you 370,000 minutes to load that train. That's over 6,000 hours. Working ten hour days, it would take the fork lift operator more than 600 days, nearly two years. Taking only limited time off for vacations, probably working six day weeks, two operators would have to operate two fork lifts loading $100 bills one ton at at time to feed the federal government.

    Mind boggling, isn't it?
    To put it more concisely, you live a million seconds every 11.6 days; it takes 31.7 years to live a billion seconds and 31,700 years to live a trillion seconds.
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    squire, get back on topic. this isn't about supplying votes
    taxing the millionaires and billionaires will provide additional revenues to diminish the accumulated national deficit
    You could tax all the wealth that all the billionaires in the U.S. have and you still would only end up with even 10% of the money to pay off the debt.

    Cutting Medicare, Medicaid and defense (along with many others) is the only realistic way to do it.
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You could tax all the wealth that all the billionaires in the U.S. have and you still would only end up with even 10% of the money to pay off the debt.

    Cutting Medicare, Medicaid and defense (along with many others) is the only realistic way to do it.
    Nope wrong, theres so many ways to cut it besides gutting Social Security and Medicare but that would take some of the perks away from the pigs at the trough that the working class have been paying for.
    Stop all subsidies to ALL companies immediately, just like the rich want the working class to take care of themselves, the working class want corporations to either take care of themselves or go bellyup and get out of the way for a successful company no more WORKING CLASS TAXPAYER HANDOUTS to the rich like big oil.
    Stop all republican and democrat pet pigouts to their states and everyone gets the same no matter who is in power.
    Stop all foreign aid NOW all of it immediately and keep that money right here and put it directly into paying down our debt.
    Pull all troops home that cost us a fortune like in Germany, there is no reason for us to have so many bases in Germany to feed their economy bring them home put that cash on the debt, same with South Korea, tell them to have hyundai, Kia, Samsung, LG, and Goldstar pay for their defense we cant afford it anymore.
    Have real Tort Reform stop these rich pig lawyer from feeding off the working class trough. Stop frivolous lawsuits that cost govt entities a fortune and make rich lawyers richer. End the endless Malpractice suits costing our health systems a fortune and making scumbags like John Edwards amass 150,000.000 dollar fortune and hes just one Malpractice lawyer.
    There are so many ways to end the debt swiftly without attacking the working class like they are a pack of stray dogs.
    Yes Social Security and medicare needs to be changed but not Paul Ryans plan to rape them and give it all to the rich in tax cuts, he has 3 or 4 different tax cuts in his plan for the rich and the rest of his plan sticks it to the working class.
    Public Workers and auto workers and Walmart workers and waitress' and waiters and Kmart and Mc Donald cashiers that get up every morning and work weekends are not SCUMBAGS or lowlifes no they arent as successful as some of you but that doesnt mean they are not entitled to anything and you richy rich kids are entitled to it ALL. IF it werent for the working class who would wipe the spoiled brats behinds and cut their grass...they talk like everyone thats not wealthy and successful is a turd..
    Personally, Ive heard enough of that vitriole.

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How much is a trillion?

    If you were the most generous boss in the world, with a workforce of 1,000 people making an average of $1,000 per hour, your payroll would be $1,000,000 per hour, or $40 million for a forty hour week, just over $2B per year. At that rate, it would take nearly 500 years to pay out a trillion.

    A hundred dollar bill weighs one gram. A thousand, then weigh a kilogram, and a million weigh a metric ton and are worth $100 million. Ten tons = a billion, and 10,000 tons = a trillion. Currently, the deficit amounts to 15, 000 tons of hundred dollar bills. The budget = 37,000 tons, and the debt is 140,000 tons of hundreds.

    Can you imagine a pile of hundreds that weighs 37,000 tons? If you were to load them into a train with a fork lift capable of lifting a ton, and if you could load one every ten minutes, it would take you 370,000 minutes to load that train. That's over 6,000 hours. Working ten hour days, it would take the fork lift operator more than 600 days, nearly two years. Taking only limited time off for vacations, probably working six day weeks, two operators would have to operate two fork lifts loading $100 bills one ton at at time to feed the federal government.

    Mind boggling, isn't it?
    What's more mind boggling is that the Democratic Party is made up of drunken sailors. They are a childish party of ne'erdowells, whiners, weirdos and golddiggers.
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    What ryan has against his plan is...he want to increase COSTS for all middle class americans and then he wants to give the rich a full additional 25% cut in income taxs...if all you conservatives think once that becomes clear to most americans thats going to float I think your in for a surprise.
    If your going to make a cut as drastic as 6trillion...you damn sure better make sure EVERYONE shares the pain and not the richest gain while everyone else takes it from behind.
    No, Ryan's plan does not give the rich an additional 25% cut in income taxes, it is revenue neutral. He proposes removing tax breaks and loopholes in return for a lower rate. Of course if everyone is supposed to share the pain, then perhaps we should insist that the 40% of Americans that pay no taxes start paying some.

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post
    No, Ryan's plan does not give the rich an additional 25% cut in income taxes, it is revenue neutral. He proposes removing tax breaks and loopholes in return for a lower rate. Of course if everyone is supposed to share the pain, then perhaps we should insist that the 40% of Americans that pay no taxes start paying some.
    Go read ryans proposal in its entirety and see the tax cuts he proposes and show me that 40% pay no taxs I dont believe that and dont include the 10% that are now unemployed not paying taxs for obvious reasons..and how much do you expect a part time walmart worker to pay in taxs btw ? or a full time walmart worker ? want them to pay 35% same as the rich...so a walmart worker that makes 10 bucks an hour 32 hrs is considered full time...makes 320 a week you want what 35% of that on top of state income taxs and Fica and unemployment insurance which they all pay...COOL...so you want a walmart worker to bring home less than 175.00 a week and pay rent and lifes necessities AND pay for their healthcare and save for their retirements and health care upon retirement....ROFL...arent you just wonderfully realistic
    Lets do the fair tax thingy...you want a fulltime walmart worker making 320.00 a week to 15% flat tax and state income taxs and fica and unemployment insur and all other deductions then pay for lifes necessities and their health care and save for their retirement.
    The rich are living in lalaland if you think all this is going to pass or even possible.. because you elected a handful of teaparty far righters.
    Just for info..I was not a walmart worker and Im not a very wealthy man but I am quite comfortable and self sufficient in my retirement this isnt about what I want and my feelings are not based on my personal wants. Paul Ryans Plan doesnt effect me in any way. I just thinks its wrong.

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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Go read ryans proposal in its entirety and see the tax cuts he proposes
    I have read it, show where it provides a 25% cut in taxes to the "rich".

    and show me that 40% pay no taxs I dont believe that and dont include the 10% that are now unemployed not paying taxes for obvious reasons..
    Tax Stats This of course does not include the credits that actually have many paying negative taxes.

    and how much do you expect a part time walmart worker to pay in taxs btw ? or a full time walmart worker ? want them to pay 35% same as the rich...so a walmart worker that makes 10 bucks an hour 32 hrs is considered full time...makes 320 a week you want what 35% of that on top of state income taxs and Fica and unemployment insurance which they all pay...COOL
    To begin with, no one should be paying 35% of their income to the Federal Government.
    What percentage of Walmart employees work only 32 hours a week and what is the median wage of a walmart worker?
    No one should be paying FICA taxes because the whole Social Security/Medicare system is unconstitutional.

    If you limit the Federal government to the enumerated powers stated in the COTUS, you could have a tax rate far below even 10%.

    Of course the Ryan plan will not pas, the Dems control the Senate and the White House and the only plan that either of them have is to tax the rich and spend even more.
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    Re: Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Go read ryans proposal in its entirety and see the tax cuts he proposes and show me that 40% pay no taxs I dont believe that and dont include the 10% that are now unemployed not paying taxs for obvious reasons..and how much do you expect a part time walmart worker to pay in taxs btw ? or a full time walmart worker ? want them to pay 35% same as the rich...so a walmart worker that makes 10 bucks an hour 32 hrs is considered full time...makes 320 a week you want what 35% of that on top of state income taxs and Fica and unemployment insurance which they all pay...COOL...so you want a walmart worker to bring home less than 175.00 a week and pay rent and lifes necessities AND pay for their healthcare and save for their retirements and health care upon retirement....ROFL...arent you just wonderfully realistic
    Lets do the fair tax thingy...you want a fulltime walmart worker making 320.00 a week to 15% flat tax and state income taxs and fica and unemployment insur and all other deductions then pay for lifes necessities and their health care and save for their retirement.
    The rich are living in lalaland if you think all this is going to pass or even possible.. because you elected a handful of teaparty far righters.
    Just for info..I was not a walmart worker and Im not a very wealthy man but I am quite comfortable and self sufficient in my retirement this isnt about what I want and my feelings are not based on my personal wants. Paul Ryans Plan doesnt effect me in any way. I just thinks its wrong.
    the only way to control the deficit is to have a tax system where everyone has to pay more money everytime the government spends more. Once politicians cannot buy votes by promising handouts OTHERS have to pay for, the reckless spending will start to ease



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