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Obama: I'll cut $4 trillion

lol...do you think i'm poor? i am middle class and i specifically posted that i could stand a bump. and i am a liberal. the lower middle class and poor already have enough of a burden, don't you think? a true patriot would care about his fellow citizens.
The lower middle class and poor currrently have no income tax burden whatsoever. Their total Federal Tax liability (income tax, FICA, corporate tax, excise) has steadily decreased for at least 30 years and is at its lowest level in terms of both share of total tax burden and total effective federal tax rate.

So, no - the lower middle class and poor probably don't have enough of a burden.
 
lol...do you think i'm poor? i am middle class and i specifically posted that i could stand a bump. and i am a liberal. the lower middle class and poor already have enough of a burden, don't you think? a true patriot would care about his fellow citizens.



Let's not make this a contest of I care more for my fellow citizens than you do, silly. I have no idea what you mean by middle class, nor do I know what you mean by a "bump". So the words have little meaning without context. The president says that people who makes more than $250K are rich and should pay more while those below that level should pay less than they paid under Clinton.So unless your statement menas your family earns for than $250K, the bump you talk about is just that, talk.

I on the other hand said that the "rich" even using Obama's definition which I do not agree with should not make a big deal about the 4% increase in their rates. I say that although my taxes are already much more than the average American's income. I was lucky enough to do well, and have no problem paying a higher percent than others who do less well.

I also think that the lower middle class, whatever that means, should also pay more if they want an expanded government. If they say it would be great to have some of this stuff, but I can't afford it that is fine. But to say I want more, but want to contribute less in my view is, harshly stated, unethical.

The reality is I am essentially done, that is I made it to retirement so how the economy does in the future will impact me less, if I watch my investments. But I do not a son not yet out of college and from a selfish point, I do not want him and his generations saddled with the debt of a couple of generations that lived beyond it's means and passed the bill to him, his cousins and all other young Americans. At the pace we are on and adjusting for a real interest rate this country will be paying nearly a trillion dollars a year essentially to foreigners to pay for a debt they did not incur. So if the country grows at 4% a year,which will be hard to a mature economy, the next generation's standard of living will stagnate at best.

All the sound and fury I read on this site sometimes drives me nuts. Just partisan back and forth without really lookinf into the depths of the problems we face and just repeating the talking points from both sides of the aisle.

I had hoped for more when I entered this site. Probably unrealistic on an internet site that seems to thrive on soundbites.

Sorry for lengthy outburst, not intended at you just this venue seems to be a disapoinment. Looking at the bright side, it is getting warmer where I live so I will spend more timeon the golf course and less time with this stuff.
 
1. why didn't president slash submit his "proposals" in writing?

2. when do you expect him to?

3. when will harry reid put forward a plan of action?

4. what exactly will it include?

5. why did the president's 2012 budget raise borrowing 20% over awful 09?

6. why did the party fail to produce a blueprint for 11?

7. why did the president punt on the bush/obama/clinton/boehner/mcconnell tax cuts until the last possible second?

8. why did the slasher mention nothing about this new "plan" of his in his state of the union, just last january?

9. why has the senate failed to move on hr1, neither up nor down nor sideways?

10. what happened to bowles-simpson, slash?

leadership, anyone?

He's leading. He said he's going to put Biden in charge of another commission that will hammer out the details for him. I'm sure he's too busy to get into specifics or acctually lay out some real numbers. Besides, he's staying above the fray this way.
 
He said he's going to put Biden in charge of another commission

you mean like bowles-simpson?

LOL!

when the slasher has anything of SUBSTANCE we'll see it IN ACTION in harry reid's senate

hurry, harry!
 
campaign slogans, class hate, demagoguery and hyper partisanship are NOT what the american people want

in times like these

today: Obama Job Approval at 41%, Tying His Low

it's your move, harry

either put up (and fast) or the slash is gonna be forced to shut up

every day, until we get one, mature and sober americans are gonna demand to SEE that plan

in its SPECIFICS

seeya at the polls, pals
 
you mean like bowles-simpson?

LOL!

when the slasher has anything of SUBSTANCE we'll see it IN ACTION in harry reid's senate

hurry, harry!

Exactly. Only this time they will get it right.
 
campaign slogans, class hate, demagoguery and hyper partisanship are NOT what the american people want

in times like these

today: Obama Job Approval at 41%, Tying His Low

it's your move, harry

either put up (and fast) or the slash is gonna be forced to shut up

every day, until we get one, mature and sober americans are gonna demand to SEE that plan

in its SPECIFICS

seeya at the polls, pals

There is one man in the country excited about Barack Obama and that is Jimmy Carter who up to this point has been considered one of America's worst Presidents. Now that title will go to Barack Obama. Jimmy Carter says Thank you, Barack!!
 
sober americans seek SOLUTIONS

barack the slasher hussein puts out SLOGANS

Wave of Debt Payments, One Trillion Dollars Per Year

hurry, harry!

You know, your poetry looks pretty, but I can only take so much of it.

Congratulations.

You are the second person in my 6 year history at DP to go on my ignore list.

I will evaluate you again in about 6 months.

At that time

If you are serious about having an honest discussion

Without all the trolling

You will come off the list

Until then

Party on
 
i completely disagree that we need to raise taxes on everyone.
It's worth noting that increasing taxes on "the rich" by 4% is a drop in the bucket. We couldn't even achieve a reasonable deficit without a massive (more than 50%) across the board tax increase.

The more we insist on only taxing the rich and limiting any cuts to social programs, the more likely it will be that the ultimate solution becomes an expensive, regressive, value added tax (meaning the poor and lower middle class will eat it anyway, and retirees can claim victory for retaining their benefits whilst paying federal tax on everything they buy.).
 
LOL!

when?

a year after the slash tossed bowles simpson?

or 2?

No later than 2014 when his backup plan will kick in. Just in case his new budget cuts/taxes don't work, something will kick in to auto fix it for us. See how smart he is?
 
ah, his backup plan

LOL!

too late, by 2014 service on the debt, mere interest alone, will be almost one trillion dollars per year

News Headlines

leadership, anyone?
 
ah, his backup plan

LOL!

too late, by 2014 service on the debt, mere interest alone, will be almost one trillion dollars per year

News Headlines

leadership, anyone?

He'll just raise taxes even more on the greedy rich scumbags who hate babies, the elderly, women, minorities and puppies.
 
No later than 2014 when his backup plan will kick in. Just in case his new budget cuts/taxes don't work, something will kick in to auto fix it for us. See how smart he is?

The 2014 plan...we have to try to cut spending, but if we cant cut spending, it will trigger automatic increases in the tax code. Translation...we aint cuttin a thing and we WILL raise taxes in 2014.
 
The 2014 plan...we have to try to cut spending, but if we cant cut spending, it will trigger automatic increases in the tax code. Translation...we aint cuttin a thing and we WILL raise taxes in 2014.

They just cut $352 million from the budget to keep the government from closing down but the debt is still there so cuts obviously don't work. It's time to try tax increases.
 
He'll just raise taxes even more on the greedy

he won't do squat

cuz he doesn't have the leadership to put anything on paper

if he did, he'd have already acted

grow up
 
They just cut $352 million from the budget

352 mil---LOL!

hey, slash, in the TWO WEEKS since the house budget chair presented his hard numbers (which passed boehner's bailiwick today and are headed to the senate for the party in power to kill), our nation has borrowed another HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS

U.S. sets $223B deficit record - Washington Times

in other words: hurry, harry!
 
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50 billion a week---is there even that much rich left in this country for you to tax it outta, president slash?

why did your excellent speech, your great speech, forget even to LOOK AT entitlements?

leadership, anyone?
 
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dear president slash, if you really wanna tax the rich (just 2 months after signing those bush cuts into law), then DO IT

do SOMETHING

TAX THE RICH and leave ENTITLEMENTS alone, fine, good, yours and hurry-up-harry's prerogative

or, if you prefer, you can go around TALKING about it for as long as you think you want or should or can...

you are, after all, the PRESIDENT, slasher

harry's the LEADER

GO!
 
Owning what though? The ability to blame Bush? The drone of attack and tax the rich? Bigger Government? Higher deficits?

This so called "important" speech that was so important that he gave it in the middle of the day when everyone was at work, and left out any details that he would be held accountable for later. In fact now he lays it off on Sherriff Joe to follow up, another vacation in the works maybe?

He is truly adept at double speak, and outright lying.


j-mac

Just like the GOP man. Dont fool yourself to think the GOP is any better than the Dems. If you do then ya got brainwashed REAL good. Hannity and Limbaugh are 10x scummier than Obama is.
 
and nothing in that post speaks to any element of Obama's proposal, explaining what about his ideas are found unreasonable

"Let's raise tax on the well to-do, the rich, the forturnate among us." The tired bull**** doesn't cut it anymore. Budgets don't get balanced on the rich, look at the ****ing math and you'll see it for yourself.
 
dear president slash, if you really wanna tax the rich (just 2 months after signing those bush cuts into law), then DO IT

do SOMETHING

TAX THE RICH and leave ENTITLEMENTS alone, fine, good, yours and hurry-up-harry's prerogative

or, if you prefer, you can go around TALKING about it for as long as you think you want or should or can...

you are, after all, the PRESIDENT, slasher

harry's the LEADER

GO!

I love the Childish name calling. :roll: It really hammers your point across. :roll:
If Obama saw 3 people drowning in a pool and he jumped in and saved them YOU are the type that would find fault with that in some way. At least he is enough of a man to compromise. We need to cut entitlements for the wealthy even MORE than the needy.

Either way someone needs to get these illegal mexicans the hell out of America! They are killing the economy!
 
I love the Childish name calling. :roll: It really hammers your point across. :roll:
If Obama saw 3 people drowning in a pool and he jumped in and saved them YOU are the type that would find fault with that in some way. At least he is enough of a man to compromise. We need to cut entitlements for the wealthy even MORE than the needy.

Either way someone needs to get these illegal mexicans the hell out of America! They are killing the economy!

I'd ask if that $2,000 suit he just ****ed up was paid for with tax dollars. :mrgreen:
 
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"Let's raise tax on the well to-do, the rich, the forturnate among us." The tired bull**** doesn't cut it anymore. Budgets don't get balanced on the rich, look at the ****ing math and you'll see it for yourself.

Im not tired of it. Why would YOU be? We havent done it.... yet. But it NEEDS to be done... like yesterday!
 
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