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    Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

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    April 12, 2011 4:00 AM PDT

    A Democratic senator is preparing to introduce legislation that aims to end the golden era of tax-free Internet shopping.
    The proposal--expected to be made public soon after Tax Day--would rewrite the ground rules for Internet and mail order sales by eliminating the ability of Americans to shop at Web sites like Amazon.com and Overstock.com without paying state sales taxes. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second most senior Senate Democrat, will introduce the bill after the Easter recess, a Democratic aide told CNET.
    "Why should out-of-state companies that sell their products online have an unfair advantage over Main Street bricks-and-mortar businesses?" Durbin said in a speech in Collinsville, Ill., in February. "Out-of-state companies that aren't paying their fair share of taxes are sticking Illinois residents and businesses with the tab."
    Durbin is an idiot. How is this suppose to help the economy? Internet site usually charge less for their products, brick and mortar businesses pass the tax on in higher prices.
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    Re: Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

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    Durbin is an idiot. How is this suppose to help the economy? Internet site usually charge less for their products, brick and mortar businesses pass the tax on in higher prices.
    It's already the law in Illinois, which is probably why Durbin intro'd it in Washington. It makes sense to me. Why shouldn't I have to pay state sales tax on a purchase made on the internet? This is costing my state money. I myself probably spend $1,000 a year on line. The only time sales tax is collected is if the merchant has brick-and-mortar in Illinois. Why? Okay. Let's not call it a sales tax. Let's call it a buy tax. But one way or another, taxes should be paid.
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    Re: Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's already the law in Illinois, which is probably why Durbin intro'd it in Washington. It makes sense to me. Why shouldn't I have to pay state sales tax on a purchase made on the internet? This is costing my state money. I myself probably spend $1,000 a year on line. The only time sales tax is collected is if the merchant has brick-and-mortar in Illinois. Why?
    I would imagine it's because Illinois has no authority over vendors in other states and cannot force them to collect.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Okay. Let's not call it a sales tax. Let's call it a buy tax. But one way or another, taxes should be paid.
    Don't call it a "buy tax" call it a "use tax" and I think it's the law in every state that has a sales tax (not just Illinois). As I understand it, most people technically do have to pay state sales tax on internet purchases - but compliance is about zero because you're expected to fill out a form and send in your payment.

    If the above is true, then Durbin wants Congress to tackle the issue because it presumably *does* have the power to make a vendor in California collect tax for Illinois, and the compliance rate would shoot from near zero to near 100%.

    What would the effect be on internet stores? They'd lose that particular advantage and would have to further raise prices to cover costs associated with keeping track of dozens of state and local tax rates. What burden does that put on Amazon vs. a typical mom and pop internet seller?

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    Re: Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

    people buy online for one main reason. Price. Start taxing online purchases, prices go up to compensate, and they are down to ... well... no reason to buy online.

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    Re: Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

    This proves the old analogy remains true, "democrats haven't seen a tax they didn't like."

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    Re: Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

    We've had that here for at least a year it ****ing sucks but Ive been heard rumors that Cuomo was considering axing it but who knows.
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    Re: Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's already the law in Illinois, which is probably why Durbin intro'd it in Washington. It makes sense to me. Why shouldn't I have to pay state sales tax on a purchase made on the internet? This is costing my state money. I myself probably spend $1,000 a year on line. The only time sales tax is collected is if the merchant has brick-and-mortar in Illinois. Why? Okay. Let's not call it a sales tax. Let's call it a buy tax. But one way or another, taxes should be paid.
    Bull****, it doesn't cost your state one red cent. Nobody took that money from the state.
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    Re: Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    This proves the old analogy remains true, "democrats haven't seen a tax they didn't like."
    It's not just Democrats who want to push this. Here in Texas, Governor Perry was pushing for it too, but he was shot down. At least we still have Congressmen in Texas who have not lost their minds. LOL.
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    Re: Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

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    Durbin is an idiot. How is this suppose to help the economy? Internet site usually charge less for their products, brick and mortar businesses pass the tax on in higher prices.
    This is the same senator that sets a price a credit card company they can charge if it is used. Durbin sppears to be in the pocket of big retailers. Those are the people that would benefit from what he stuck into fin reg. Consumers will get screwed with fees to make up for the lost revenues by credit card companies.

    Now he is doing the same thing with this proposal. How is using the internet different than calling a company that has no stores in the state you live in and have them ship you goods. The consumer pats no tax in that case as well.

    I wonder if Durbin wears his kneepads while on the senate floor in case in runs into a retail lobbyist who would like a blow***.

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    Re: Democratic senator wants Internet sales taxes

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    Bull****, it doesn't cost your state one red cent. Nobody took that money from the state.
    Well, I disagree. As I said, I spent, probably, $1K on line last year. Maybe the state got their tax on a quarter of that. It most certainly does cost Illinois money when an Illinois consumer buys on line and avoids Illinois sales tax. You might say, "Well, they shouldn't have to pay it." That's one thing....but to say it doesn't cost IL revenue is just plain incorrect.
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