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    Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is in intensive care after suffering a heart attack, say state media.

    It happened as he was being questioned by prosecutors over allegations of corruption and the killing of hundreds of protesters, reports said.

    BBC News - Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'
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    Re: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    Death is good for him.

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    Re: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullshytz View Post
    Death is good for him.
    I'd rather tits they kept him alive and in an Egyptian prison.
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    Re: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    I, for one, do not find any good in this news. For all his flaws, some of which were exhibited during the popular uprising that led to his ouster, President Mubarak also deserves a lot of credit. Following the assassination of his predecessor Anwar Sadat, President Mubarak could have taken the easy path and terminated the still fragile bilateral Israel-Egypt peace treaty. He did not. In no small part due to his leadership, that agreement is on much more solid footing than it was when President Mubarak succeeded President Sadat. He played an active, energetic, and persistent role in trying to broker regional peace. While an overall peace agreement was not achieved, his efforts promoted regional stability. At a time when radicalism increased in numerous Mideast countries, President Mubarak helped safeguard Egypt from such influences, limiting their impact on Egypt. He was also a generally reliable ally for the United States.

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    Re: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullshytz View Post
    Death is good for him.
    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I'd rather tits they kept him alive and in an Egyptian prison.

    We supported Mubarak because he was willing to break with the Soviets and keep the peace with Israel. With Jordan and Egypt at peace with Israel, that only left Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians.

    Mubarak reduced tensions in the ME. So tell me how that makes him such a bad guy?

    You should be ashamed of yourselves.

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    Re: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    Zine Abidine Ben Ali is also reported to be in poor health. He had a stroke after his ouster and remains in critical condition. I guess the stress of being deposed from power really takes a toll on a person's health.
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    Re: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    President Mubarak could have taken the easy path and terminated the still fragile bilateral Israel-Egypt peace treaty. He did not.
    Mubarak recognized that he couldn't win a war against Israel. While I suppose he deserves a little bit of credit for being rational enough to know that, it's hardly a great accomplishment in itself. And putting aside the specifics of the Israel-Egypt peace treaty, are all peace agreements inherently in the interests of the people of that nation? Although I don't think the Egyptian people have any desire to go to war with Israel, they also don't have the desire to be as supportive of Israel as Mubarak was. As a dictator, Mubarak was not representative of the wishes of his people.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1
    While an overall peace agreement was not achieved, his efforts promoted regional stability.
    "Regional stability" is merely an obsession of the United States (which makes sense, since the Arab states tended to support American power). As the recent revolts have made clear, the Arab people do not place such a high premium on regional stability.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1
    At a time when radicalism increased in numerous Mideast countries, President Mubarak helped safeguard Egypt from such influences, limiting their impact on Egypt.
    Radicalism is CAUSED by stagnant political systems and economic poverty...problems which Mubarak has made worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1
    He was also a generally reliable ally for the United States.
    And what aspect of American foreign policy in the Middle East would lead you to the conclusion that being "a reliable ally of the United States" is inherently a good thing? I'm glad he wasn't our enemy, but his people's interests would have been better served if he had ACTED in the people's interests. And sometimes that will entail people electing people that the US government doesn't like.
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    Re: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    We supported Mubarak because he was willing to break with the Soviets and keep the peace with Israel. With Jordan and Egypt at peace with Israel, that only left Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians.

    Mubarak reduced tensions in the ME. So tell me how that makes him such a bad guy?

    You should be ashamed of yourselves.
    This is sadly correct.

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    Re: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Mubarak recognized that he couldn't win a war against Israel. While I suppose he deserves a little bit of credit for being rational enough to know that, it's hardly a great accomplishment in itself. And putting aside the specifics of the Israel-Egypt peace treaty, are all peace agreements inherently in the interests of the people of that nation? Although I don't think the Egyptian people have any desire to go to war with Israel, they also don't have the desire to be as supportive of Israel as Mubarak was. As a dictator, Mubarak was not representative of the wishes of his people.
    President Mubarak didn't need to go to war with Israel. He could merely have taken the easy path and rescinded the treaty, leaving open the possibility of war at some point in the future and preserving ties to the Arab world. He didn't. He could have taken the minimalist approach and merely honored the treaty in a technical sense. Instead, he played an active and persistent role in trying to mediate a larger peace agreement between Israel and the other Arab states. Moreover, even as he honored the treaty and pushed for peace, he also patiently rebuilt Egypt's relationships with the rest of the Arab world. Those relationships had been severed upon Egypt's agreeing to peace with Israel.

    Without doubt, he was an authoritarian leader. He was not necessarily representative of his people. Nonetheless, his record is not all bad. On the peace front, I would suggest that his record is quite exemplary.

    "Regional stability" is merely an obsession of the United States (which makes sense, since the Arab states tended to support American power). As the recent revolts have made clear, the Arab people do not place such a high premium on regional stability.
    Regional stability is not just an American obsession. Given that Europe depends on the Mideast for an even larger share of its oil, regional stability is at least as much a European goal as it is an American one. Regional stability, of course, does not mean adherence to a rigid status quo. Instead, it allows for change, but at a pace where things don't deteriorate to the point where widespread violence erupts. A gradual but steady shift toward democratization would be fully incompatible with the goal of regional stability.

    Radicalism is CAUSED by stagnant political systems and economic poverty...problems which Mubarak has made worse.
    Myriad factors are involved. Economic stagnation, wealth disparities, a large underemployed youthful population, a quasi-religious reawakening led by fundamentalists who blame a drift away from Islam for the region's problems and want to turn back the clock to a more stringent interpretation of religion and greater role of religion in society, a disproportionately small role for women in society, historic rivalries (ethnic, tribal, and religious), actual and perceived grievances, stunted institutions, etc.

    Clearly, President Mubarak was not able to lead Egypt in a fashion that allowed Egypt to avoid growing discontent. He was not able to accommodate the desires among Egypt's people for a larger voice and meaningful political choices. However, in that respect, he was quite similar to many of the other Arab rulers. Such systems are no accident. The absence of liberal Western-style democratic systems in the Arab world is not coincidence. The current systems reflect the institutional development, historic experience, cultural traditions, etc., in those states.

    And what aspect of American foreign policy in the Middle East would lead you to the conclusion that being "a reliable ally of the United States" is inherently a good thing? I'm glad he wasn't our enemy, but his people's interests would have been better served if he had ACTED in the people's interests. And sometimes that will entail people electing people that the US government doesn't like.
    As an American, President Mubarak's being a reliable ally counts for something. Moreover, I recognize that American interests and the desires of Egypt's people might not always be compatible, but that's entirely a different issue.
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    Re: Egypt's Hosni Mubarak in hospital after 'heart attack'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    We supported Mubarak because he was willing to break with the Soviets and keep the peace with Israel. With Jordan and Egypt at peace with Israel, that only left Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians.
    He broke up with the Soviets cus he knew the USA is more beneficial.
    He kept the peace with Israel cus if he didn't the USA will dump him like a bad habit.

    Mubarak reduced tensions in the ME.
    So tell me how that makes him such a bad guy?
    Mubarak didn't do nothing to reduce the ME.
    If you open your eyes, the ME is full of wars and crisis.

    Mubarak only wants to be a big shot dictator.
    If he wasn't a bad guy, then most of his countrymen wouldn't of wanted him gone and dead.

    You should be ashamed of yourselves.
    You should stop crying over a stupid dictator puppet.
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