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    Re: UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I see! You are asking if it is possible to live in balance/harmony with our environment. How novel. Who could ever have imagined such a possibility? Although extermination of the race would probably be best for the planet's sake, it is not something I have suggested nor approved. Nice of you to read my mind and print my thoughts for readers who don't have the mastery of mind-reading. You might get your antenna checked or adjusted.

    I understand, you post not to be actually addressed, but just to type words on a screen and see yourself posted....My mistake.

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    Re: UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
    Where has man, at any point in history, lived in harmony with nature?
    Before the industrial revolution gave us the tools to **** it all up on a large scale and at a dramatically faster pace. We've been trying to find ways to minimize the damage as soon as we realized that we weren't doing ourselves a favor. This is just another step in that process, although as I said, way, waaaay ahead of its time.
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    Re: UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Before the industrial revolution gave us the tools to **** it all up on a large scale and at a dramatically faster pace. We've been trying to find ways to minimize the damage as soon as we realized that we weren't doing ourselves a favor. This is just another step in that process, although as I said, way, waaaay ahead of its time.
    It was way before that. There's a reason we no longer have any mammoths and giant sloths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It was way before that. There's a reason we no longer have any mammoths and giant sloths.
    That's true. And as the dominant species on the planet it's inevitable that we will cause the most damage and be responsible for some species going extinct. I do see a marked effort in many societies to change our relationship with nature. We are becoming more respectful and much more responsible with the power we have to alter our environment. It's the smart thing to do if we want our species to survive.
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    Re: UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    For anyone interested, this is the Bolivian law on which the UN document will be based. It's in Spanish, obviously, but I'm sure the smart ones among you will figure out how to Google-translate it. It basically says what I thought it would say. It's about finding the right balance to preserve the well being of all things on Earth, including humans.

    Ley de Derechos de la Madre Tierra - Estado Plurinacional de Bolivia
    So, not as extreme as some tried to make, right? Not surprising.

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    Re: UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I don't think you understand the purpose of what they're doing. It's not about trying not to harm anything at all. That would be contrary to nature itself and would be quite idiotic. All living things must harm if they want to eat. The point is to not upset the balance that is supposed to be constant in nature inorder for all species to have a chance of survival. Just because we have the power as the dominant species to completely destroy the natural habitat of other living things doesn't mean that we should. In many cases we should know better, if only for own sake.

    Oh, I think I get it, someone earlier spoke about movements like this as a direct assault on capitalism itself, and a case can certainly be made for that. But you are talking, and correctly about the balance that exists. Surely that means that advances in energy, food, and crop advances, and the sheer number of people living on this planet deserve a fair workable point as well, no?

    But see when I read this part:

    ...grants the Earth a series of specific rights that include rights to life, water and clean air; the right to repair livelihoods affected by human activities; and the right to be free from pollution.
    That to me speaks of farcical self imposed, and totally unnecessary limitations that will result in the possible deaths of sectors of human population. But hey, it's all good as long as "Mother Earth" approves right?

    Then you have the question of whom would be the arbiter, or the 'Earth Whisperer' if you will?

    It also establishes a Ministry of Mother Earth, and provides the planet with an ombudsman whose job is to hear nature's complaints as voiced by activist and other groups, including the state.
    An Ombudsman? Are you kidding me? Hearing complaints as voiced through such groups as ELF, and the other extremist whack jobs out there such as the nut job I used to see near DC when I lived there with his car plastered with bumper stickers reading "Rats are people too", and "my best friends are Rats"...

    Right now this country is in an artificial energy crisis, imposed in no small part to the obstructive, and destructive actions of people like this.

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    Re: UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, not as extreme as some tried to make, right? Not surprising.
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    Re: UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What's your footprint Joe?


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    I could say anything. But you're trying to divert from the issue at hand. being reasonable and seeking balance is far different than wanting to kill us all. no matter what your political persuasion, you should recognize that. Being good stuwards means taking care and not abusing the environment. Seeking to do so is not evil or extreme. Getting your panies in a wad and over exaggerating everything that is said or done is.

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    Re: UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, I think I get it, someone earlier spoke about movements like this as a direct assault on capitalism itself, and a case can certainly be made for that. But you are talking, and correctly about the balance that exists. Surely that means that advances in energy, food, and crop advances, and the sheer number of people living on this planet deserve a fair workable point as well, no?

    But see when I read this part:



    That to me speaks of farcical self imposed, and totally unnecessary limitations that will result in the possible deaths of sectors of human population. But hey, it's all good as long as "Mother Earth" approves right?

    Then you have the question of whom would be the arbiter, or the 'Earth Whisperer' if you will?



    An Ombudsman? Are you kidding me? Hearing complaints as voiced through such groups as ELF, and the other extremist whack jobs out there such as the nut job I used to see near DC when I lived there with his car plastered with bumper stickers reading "Rats are people too", and "my best friends are Rats"...

    Right now this country is in an artificial energy crisis, imposed in no small part to the obstructive, and destructive actions of people like this.

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    I realize that most countries are not ready for this. I'd be very surprised if Bolivia manages to live up to their own law. It's going to be very difficult to consistently enforce it. They're a different culture, though, and as a society much more in tune with nature than we are, so if any country can pull this off they sure can.

    As for this UN thing, if it even passes, it'll be purely symbolic. Most countries, even those who have extensive environment protection programs, have other more pressing concerns at the moment.
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    Re: UN document would give 'Mother Earth' same rights as humans

    Considering the earth as a life form is unpopular because it instantly removes our status as the most advanced species. It's considerate that the Bolivians are trying to be nice to the planet. Considerate, but not necessary. The earth, with patience that we cannot fathom, takes back everything that we take from it in time. Right now, lake Mead is patiently wearing out the Hoover Dam.

    The earth is very capable of taking care of herself. We know for a fact that the human population has been reduced to a few thousand a couple of different times, way back in history. We also know that our demise could come from the super-magma that is located under Yellowstone Park. There are similar catastrophic events waiting patiently in many parts of the world. Fault lines come to mind.

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