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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    People can go their whole lives not vaccinated and never cme down with any such diseases.

    Big difference between that - and then denying your child the necessary elements to live - such as food, shelter, and cancer treatment.
    Only because of herd immunity. The nonstupid are protecting the stupid. However, that doesn't excuse it.

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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Only because of herd immunity. The nonstupid are protecting the stupid. However, that doesn't excuse it.
    I though herd immunity was a theory centering around people developing a natural immnity because others have done so?
    Or is herd immunity just refering to people being surrounded by a populous that is immune and thus aren't exposed to it?

    either way: I use to not worry too much about immunizations. Not because of religious beliefs or anyting like that - I just didn't *see* the urgent need for effort to immunize. I felt apathetic about it until I actually learned what various diseases were - like Smallpox and rubella, etc. And I heard that certain immunized-for diseases are becoming more prevalent in the country.

    Every since that moment in which I learned what they were - and that contracting them in the US is becoming more likely for those who aren't immunized - I took all the kids to get them caught up on their shots. They weren't *wihout* shots at all - but they were all behind. Some more than others.

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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I though herd immunity was a theory centering around people developing a natural immnity because others have done so?
    Or is herd immunity just refering to people being surrounded by a populous that is immune and thus aren't exposed to it?

    either way: I use to not worry too much about immunizations. Not because of religious beliefs or anyting like that - I just didn't *see* the urgent need for effort to immunize. I felt apathetic about it until I actually learned what various diseases were - like Smallpox and rubella, etc. And I heard that certain immunized-for diseases are becoming more prevalent in the country.

    Every since that moment in which I learned what they were - and that contracting them in the US is becoming more likely for those who aren't immunized - I took all the kids to get them caught up on their shots. They weren't *wihout* shots at all - but they were all behind. Some more than others.

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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

    Seems to me this is a failure on the doctor's part as well as the mother's. It is up to the doctor to explain how the treatment will give the child an outwardly sick look, but that appearance is a positive reaction to the medication. If the mother didn't understand that, it was a poor job on the doctor's part of making that information clear. I also find it hard to fault a parent for not wanting to put their child through agonizing pain. If the doctor had made the decision to stop the medication, it is unlikely this would have gone to trial. There may have been a law suit, but no criminal trial.
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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What does this mean for parents who refuse treatment of their kids on religious grounds?
    I would argue that the right to life is more fundamental than the right to freedom of worship; when the two are clearly at odds, the right to life takes precedence.

    I say "clearly" because the state of course has much less right to intervene in cases where medical outcomes are less reliable.

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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I would argue that the right to life is more fundamental than the right to freedom of worship; when the two are clearly at odds, the right to life takes precedence.

    I say "clearly" because the state of course has much less right to intervene in cases where medical outcomes are less reliable.
    Yeah, but what if it's not a little child, but maybe a 13 or 14 year old who claims to have the same religious conviction and wishes to refuse treatment?
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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, but what if it's not a little child, but maybe a 13 or 14 year old who claims to have the same religious conviction and wishes to refuse treatment?
    They don't get to make that choice until they are 18.
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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

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    They don't get to make that choice until they are 18.
    So what's the difference in that case other than 4-5 years? If they really believe that you'll doom their eternal soul and wish to adhere to that, do we really have authority to say "Naw, **** that. That ****'s crazy anyway.". I mean, I would agree that it is crazy and I can't begin to understand why people would choose that route. Yet people do. Is it their right to die on their own accord according to their own will? Or do we have proper right and authority to intercede and say "no, you can't make this choice"? I actually don't think I have the right to tell people what to believe and think and if they somehow got it in their head that medical treatment will damn their soul; then it's their right to think that and live that.
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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So what's the difference in that case other than 4-5 years? If they really believe that you'll doom their eternal soul and wish to adhere to that, do we really have authority to say "Naw, **** that. That ****'s crazy anyway.". I mean, I would agree that it is crazy and I can't begin to understand why people would choose that route. Yet people do. Is it their right to die on their own accord according to their own will? Or do we have proper right and authority to intercede and say "no, you can't make this choice"? I actually don't think I have the right to tell people what to believe and think and if they somehow got it in their head that medical treatment will damn their soul; then it's their right to think that and live that.
    You could say that about all of the age restriction laws, the fact is that until you are 18 you aren't legally an adult, and can't make such decisions.
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    Re: Jury convicts mom who withheld cancer meds:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I though herd immunity was a theory centering around people developing a natural immnity because others have done so?
    Or is herd immunity just refering to people being surrounded by a populous that is immune and thus aren't exposed to it?

    either way: I use to not worry too much about immunizations. Not because of religious beliefs or anyting like that - I just didn't *see* the urgent need for effort to immunize. I felt apathetic about it until I actually learned what various diseases were - like Smallpox and rubella, etc. And I heard that certain immunized-for diseases are becoming more prevalent in the country.

    Every since that moment in which I learned what they were - and that contracting them in the US is becoming more likely for those who aren't immunized - I took all the kids to get them caught up on their shots. They weren't *wihout* shots at all - but they were all behind. Some more than others.

    Iv'e been on top of it ever since.
    Its the second one. And exactly, if enough people forego their shots, then they no longer benefit from being around people who are immune.

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