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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    This is a disaster for Japan, a real catastrophic that will affect every level of their society for decades, if not generations. Don't forget, Chernobyl happened in a rural area where it was relatively easy to rope off a 50 (or whatever) mile radius while the rest of the country went on with their lives. Japan is a tiny island nation, hugely populated, without that luxury. Radiation has entered its foodchain on several levels, and one can only speculate about the long-term situation in their territorial waters. Fish is their major protein staple.

    That said, I've always been nervous about nuclear energy. However, considering the thousands of nuclear reactors around the world, it really does have a remarkable safety record with only three major accidents in the past 50 years. Modern civilian globally cannot exist without nuclear energy at this time, but frankly we as a worldwide society have to seriously research safer, cleaner energy sources or in the next century, this planet is going to be in a world of hurt.

    I'm not going to panic over what happened in Japan, which was a combination of natural disasters unprecendented in recorded history. If I was Japanese I'd sure panic. This crisis isn't over yet, and there's no way to know the final extent of damage will be to their country. It's already beyond anything we could have imagined a month ago. I'm so sad for them.

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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You're right, more people die in the mining / oil drilling, etc... for energy then with nuclear power.
    But, that 4% was that like nuclear workers involved in nuclear accidents?? Or was that 0.04 based on ALL the people that have been killed in the radioactive fallout also included?

    The main problem with nuclear energy is that, sure it's safe... BUT when things go wrong, they tend to go horribly wrong.
    These numbers, I believe, are approximate. I think they were calculated by a student or something, but they give the proper order of magnitude. I believe he added 4,000 deaths for Chernobyl in the rate due to long term effects, but these are hard to correlate. The numbers are deaths per teraWatt-hours. Solar has deaths because roofing is a dangerous job. Wind power has deaths from accidents from making the steel and mining too. All other forms have some deaths too from accidents.

    I'm for nuclear power, just the unsafe and old reactors should be taken offline. If its done safely, it should be no problem.

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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You're right, more people die in the mining / oil drilling, etc... for energy then with nuclear power.
    But, that 4% was that like nuclear workers involved in nuclear accidents?? Or was that 0.04 based on ALL the people that have been killed in the radioactive fallout also included?
    I would assume that includes an estimate for all people exposed to radiation.

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    The main problem with nuclear energy is that, sure it's safe... BUT when things go wrong, they tend to go horribly wrong.
    No they don't. No one died from the Fukushima meltdown and no one will. No one died from Three Mile Island and no one will. Even in Chernobyl - the biggest nuclear disaster in history - the death toll was "only" about 4,000. China loses that many people in coal mining accidents every single year.
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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I would assume that includes an estimate for all people exposed to radiation.



    No they don't. No one died from the Fukushima meltdown and no one will. No one died from Three Mile Island and no one will. Even in Chernobyl - the biggest nuclear disaster in history - the death toll was "only" about 4,000. China loses that many people in coal mining accidents every single year.
    I wouldn't be so sure. One Fukushima worker is dead (not from radiation but indirectly caused by the meldown) and several are in the hospital after having been severely contaminated. These people very well may die from radiation poisoning, and it will still be years before the contamination of the affected populace may result in vastly increased types of cancers.

    This is not a global catastrophe, but it is most certainly a castastrophe for the Japanese people. I don't honestly understand why you are dismissing it and diminishing the devastating affect it is having, and will continue to have, on Japan.

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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I would assume that includes an estimate for all people exposed to radiation.



    No they don't. No one died from the Fukushima meltdown and no one will. No one died from Three Mile Island and no one will. Even in Chernobyl - the biggest nuclear disaster in history - the death toll was "only" about 4,000. China loses that many people in coal mining accidents every single year.
    The 4,000 estimate was the estimate given by the Russian government to down play the disaster. However all other governments and organizations estimate the death toll to be much much higher.

    Immediate deaths were not the only factor. Long term deaths and serious health issues must also be considered. Of the approx 500,000 workers used to clean up the area approx 250,000 of those were disabled by the time they reached there 50's.

    Fallout health issues must also be included.
    Greenpeace suggested there will be 270,000 cases of cancer attributable to Chernobyl fallout, and that 93,000 of these will probably be fatal, but state in their report that "The most recently published figures indicate that in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine alone the accident could have resulted in an estimated 200,000 additional deaths in the period between 1990 and 2004."

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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I would assume that includes an estimate for all people exposed to radiation.
    Ya, if that's the case they've taken the lowball estimates.

    No they don't. No one died from the Fukushima meltdown and no one will. No one died from Three Mile Island and no one will. Even in Chernobyl - the biggest nuclear disaster in history - the death toll was "only" about 4,000. China loses that many people in coal mining accidents every single year.
    Ok, Three Mile Island had its effects downplayed, but it really was low on the scale.

    Chernobyl caused the deaths of estimated between 500000 to 985000 depending on the reports that were done in the aftermath. Oh, and also, because of that singular accident radiation levels in the northern hemisphere nearly double that of the southern hemisphere...

    And for Fukushima, there was only something like 2 reported deaths in the explosions, BUT that's not the end of the death toll.

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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    For those still interested, the Japanese company running the power plant admitted that they have suffered a full meltdown. Now they've got a white-hot pile of slag radioactive enough to cook hot dogs on the moon, and they have to figure out how to clean it up.

    Japan Confirms Complete Core Nuclear Meltdown In 3 Fukushima Reactors :

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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    For those still interested, the Japanese company running the power plant admitted that they have suffered a full meltdown. Now they've got a white-hot pile of slag radioactive enough to cook hot dogs on the moon, and they have to figure out how to clean it up.

    Japan Confirms Complete Core Nuclear Meltdown In 3 Fukushima Reactors :
    Not sure if it was THIS article, but did you catch the part that they KNEW these things had melted down by day 2?? That's right, 2 days they've known this article to be factual and waited 2 months to make it public?

    Oh and Dr Busby, a chemical / nuclear physicist, has come out over the past few days and pointed out that the explosions that were caught on tape of the reactors WERE NOT hydrogren explosions BUT BECAUSE of the chemicals and isotopes released, it's now been CONFIRMED that those were nuclear explosions. NOT hydrogen... which in reactor 3 was my first suspicion, though I lacked any expertise to make the claim.

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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Not sure if it was THIS article, but did you catch the part that they KNEW these things had melted down by day 2?? That's right, 2 days they've known this article to be factual and waited 2 months to make it public?

    Oh and Dr Busby, a chemical / nuclear physicist, has come out over the past few days and pointed out that the explosions that were caught on tape of the reactors WERE NOT hydrogren explosions BUT BECAUSE of the chemicals and isotopes released, it's now been CONFIRMED that those were nuclear explosions. NOT hydrogen... which in reactor 3 was my first suspicion, though I lacked any expertise to make the claim.
    "Nuclear explosions?" This should be interesting. Link these claims please.
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    Re: Japan nuclear crisis on same level as Chernobyl:

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Nuclear explosions?" This should be interesting. Link these claims please.

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