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Beijing police halt unapproved church service

ludahai

ludahai

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Leaders of the unregistered Shouwang church had told members to gather at an open-air venue in Beijing for Sunday morning services, but police, apparently alerted to their plans, taped off the area and took away people who showed up to take part.
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Amazing that there are still people in free countries who use their freedoms to defend and justify the actions of these thugs...

Ai Weiwei, an internationally known avant-garde artist who is also an outspoken government critic, became the highest-profile person targeted in the crackdown on dissent when he was detained at a Beijing airport a week ago. The Foreign Ministry says he is being investigated for alleged economic crimes, though Beijing police have yet to confirm he is in custody.
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And lest we forget, Ai is still in prison. "Economic crimes"... what a laugh...
 
ludahai said:
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Amazing that there are still people in free countries who use their freedoms to defend and justify the actions of these thugs...



And lest we forget, Ai is still in prison. "Economic crimes"... what a laugh...
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Wait, who was supporting the Chinese doing this?
 
ME!!!

These christian interlopers are a threat to state security and social integrity in China! Not only this the chances of them being spies for the foreigners must be at least three thousand fold!

See I understand them.

Doesnt mean I support them.
 
SE102 said:
ME!!!

These christian interlopers are a threat to state security and social integrity in China! Not only this the chances of them being spies for the foreigners must be at least three thousand fold!

See I understand them.

Doesnt mean I support them.
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Man, it must be nice to be a conservative because you get to just assign whatever crazy opinion comes to mind to the opposition.
 
Deuce said:
Wait, who was supporting the Chinese doing this?
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The top Chinese apologist on DP has ignored these threads of late... probably getting sick of being exposed...

Unfortunately, there ARE people on various discussion boards, including Yahoo! who defend this crap...
 
ludahai said:
probably getting sick of being exposed...

Unfortunately, there ARE people on various discussion boards, including Yahoo! who defend this crap...
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Exposed? Maybe it's like that in Taiwan....
 
SE102 said:
Exposed? Maybe it's like that in Taiwan....
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Like WHAT in Taiwan? Most people here aren't that functional in English and VERY few outside the old guard KMT set would defend ANYTHING going on in China. Taiwanese, by contrast, are among the most religiously tolerant people in the world...
 
But not to the chinese government? Which is what we're talking about.
 
Deuce said:
Man, it must be nice to be a conservative because you get to just assign whatever crazy opinion comes to mind to the opposition.
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delicious irony.

please tell us more crazy opinions you assigned to your opposition. you are brilliant! hahahaha
 
SE102 said:
But not to the chinese government? Which is what we're talking about.
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The Chinese government is focused on control, that is all. People following their religious convictions are not a threat to the state. This is true of Falungong, Protestants, Catholics and others...

The ironic thing is that the Taiping Rebellion of the mid-19th century is celebrated by the CCP and yet that was a religiously-inspired movement against foreigners in China...
 
ludahai said:
The Chinese government is focused on control, that is all. People following their religious convictions are not a threat to the state. This is true of Falungong, Protestants, Catholics and others...
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As much as I would like it for China to liberalise what you said is completely normative.

The ironic thing is that the Taiping Rebellion of the mid-19th century is celebrated by the CCP and yet that was a religiously-inspired movement against foreigners in China...
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But it was chinese...
 
SE102 said:
As much as I would like it for China to liberalise what you said is completely normative.



But it was chinese...
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These worshipers and their pastor are Chinese as well...

The fact that this is NORMAL, as you correctly point out, is a reason we should be very circumspect in our dealings with them and we should NOT treat them as a responsible member of the international community...
 
ARealConservative said:
delicious irony.

please tell us more crazy opinions you assigned to your opposition. you are brilliant! hahahaha
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Uhh, in this thread the OP just decided that someone supported the Chinese and their disdain for religious freedom. I've yet to see evidence that anyone actually supports this action. When confronted on the issue, he went to vague talk about some mystery person who may or may not have an opinion on this particular situation.
 
ludahai said:
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Amazing that there are still people in free countries who use their freedoms to defend and justify the actions of these thugs...



And lest we forget, Ai is still in prison. "Economic crimes"... what a laugh...
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I can see some of the Euro-trash countries with anti-speech and anti-religious laws doing this sometime in the future.
 
They are compelled by different things to do what they do. There is no universal drive to limit free speech for its own sake.
 
SE102 said:
They are compelled by different things to do what they do. There is no universal drive to limit free speech for its own sake.
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No, but paranoia and control certainly play a part when talking about the CCP.
 
Deuce said:
Uhh, in this thread the OP just decided that someone supported the Chinese and their disdain for religious freedom. I've yet to see evidence that anyone actually supports this action. When confronted on the issue, he went to vague talk about some mystery person who may or may not have an opinion on this particular situation.
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We have had various posters support the thugs in Beijing from time to time... Demon of Light being the most recent... but, did you read the comments on the Yahoo! boards? There definately ARE people defending these thugs... just their apologists on here are smart enough to stay away from this thread...
 
ludahai said:
We have had various posters support the thugs in Beijing from time to time...
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As I've commented on China, I'll make clear that my observation that China is building its military power as has typically been the case with rising great powers is a value-neutral statement. It is a historical observation, nothing more. That some in the Pentagon are "surprised," is problematic, as it is the course one would expect given a basic knowledge of history. That I noted that there does not need to be a Cold War confrontation between the U.S. and China--though such an outcome cannot be assured--if their leaders make wise decisions/choices going forward also is focused narrowly.

None of those points indicate endorsement of the current human rights situation, nor do they mean that the U.S. should not aid its regional allies if that ever becomes necessary. Indeed, failure to do so on the part of the U.S., would shatter U.S. credibility, undermine all of its major global commitments, and damage its critical East Asian interests.
 
Deuce said:
Man, it must be nice to be a conservative because you get to just assign whatever crazy opinion comes to mind to the opposition.
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:roll: :aliens3:
 
ludahai said:
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Amazing that there are still people in free countries who use their freedoms to defend and justify the actions of these thugs...



And lest we forget, Ai is still in prison. "Economic crimes"... what a laugh...
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So - they didn't follow the rules and got in trouble.

As long as the rules are present they should be followed - I don't expect any government to ever knowingly permit and harbor people who are against the government. Not even the US does this - if you're adamately and actively against our own government you're labeled a terrorist and dealt with.
 
This seems strangely reminiscent of the earliest stirrings of the Boxer Rebellion.
 
ludahai said:
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Amazing that there are still people in free countries who use their freedoms to defend and justify the actions of these thugs...



And lest we forget, Ai is still in prison. "Economic crimes"... what a laugh...
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Commies just never change.
 
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