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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    We have had various posters support the thugs in Beijing from time to time...
    As I've commented on China, I'll make clear that my observation that China is building its military power as has typically been the case with rising great powers is a value-neutral statement. It is a historical observation, nothing more. That some in the Pentagon are "surprised," is problematic, as it is the course one would expect given a basic knowledge of history. That I noted that there does not need to be a Cold War confrontation between the U.S. and China--though such an outcome cannot be assured--if their leaders make wise decisions/choices going forward also is focused narrowly.

    None of those points indicate endorsement of the current human rights situation, nor do they mean that the U.S. should not aid its regional allies if that ever becomes necessary. Indeed, failure to do so on the part of the U.S., would shatter U.S. credibility, undermine all of its major global commitments, and damage its critical East Asian interests.

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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Man, it must be nice to be a conservative because you get to just assign whatever crazy opinion comes to mind to the opposition.
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
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    Amazing that there are still people in free countries who use their freedoms to defend and justify the actions of these thugs...



    And lest we forget, Ai is still in prison. "Economic crimes"... what a laugh...
    So - they didn't follow the rules and got in trouble.

    As long as the rules are present they should be followed - I don't expect any government to ever knowingly permit and harbor people who are against the government. Not even the US does this - if you're adamately and actively against our own government you're labeled a terrorist and dealt with.
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    This seems strangely reminiscent of the earliest stirrings of the Boxer Rebellion.
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

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    Amazing that there are still people in free countries who use their freedoms to defend and justify the actions of these thugs...



    And lest we forget, Ai is still in prison. "Economic crimes"... what a laugh...
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    As I've commented on China, I'll make clear that my observation that China is building its military power as has typically been the case with rising great powers is a value-neutral statement. It is a historical observation, nothing more. That some in the Pentagon are "surprised," is problematic, as it is the course one would expect given a basic knowledge of history. That I noted that there does not need to be a Cold War confrontation between the U.S. and China--though such an outcome cannot be assured--if their leaders make wise decisions/choices going forward also is focused narrowly.

    None of those points indicate endorsement of the current human rights situation, nor do they mean that the U.S. should not aid its regional allies if that ever becomes necessary. Indeed, failure to do so on the part of the U.S., would shatter U.S. credibility, undermine all of its major global commitments, and damage its critical East Asian interests.
    For the record, I was not referring to you...
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So - they didn't follow the rules and got in trouble.

    As long as the rules are present they should be followed - I don't expect any government to ever knowingly permit and harbor people who are against the government. Not even the US does this - if you're adamately and actively against our own government you're labeled a terrorist and dealt with.
    Should have known someone would come on here and defend the indefensible...
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    And there is more from the cowardly thugs in Beijing

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    BEIJING (Reuters) – Chinese police have detained a prominent rights lawyer suspected of "creating a disturbance," and another who had said he was being followed is thought to have been taken into custody, the latest examples of a sustained crackdown on dissent.

    Meanwhile, a retired Chinese man who took photographs of police officers at a proposed pro-democracy "Jasmine Revolution" protest in Beijing was sentenced to labor re-education, in the second confirmed punishment in less than a week for the Middle East-inspired gatherings that were squashed by wary authorities.
    Detained lawyer Ni Yulan, 49, was not involved with promoting the online calls for pro-democracy "Jasmine Revolution" gatherings that have recently led to a sweeping crackdown on dissidents, a person close to Ni, who declined to be named, told Reuters by telephone.

    "She has nothing to do with it. She can't move at all, so there's no way for her to participate. She was very careful about not getting involved," the person said.

    Ni, who is known for defending the rights of people evicted from their homes, was left disabled by a police beating in 2002 after filming the forced demolition of a client's home, and then jailed.
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Should have known someone would come on here and defend the indefensible...
    He's not defending it he's stating a known 'phenomena' of nation states as it were.

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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    He's not defending it he's stating a known 'phenomena' of nation states as it were.
    Peaceful advocation of a change in government is not something for which you will be arrested and held incommunicado in most modern democracies... violent overthrow yes... but he did not advocate the violent overthrow of the Chinese thugs in Beijing. You can advocate a change in the government of the U.S. without being thrown in jail. Same here in Taiwan...
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