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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Chinese government is focused on control, that is all. People following their religious convictions are not a threat to the state. This is true of Falungong, Protestants, Catholics and others...
    As much as I would like it for China to liberalise what you said is completely normative.

    The ironic thing is that the Taiping Rebellion of the mid-19th century is celebrated by the CCP and yet that was a religiously-inspired movement against foreigners in China...
    But it was chinese...

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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    As much as I would like it for China to liberalise what you said is completely normative.



    But it was chinese...
    These worshipers and their pastor are Chinese as well...

    The fact that this is NORMAL, as you correctly point out, is a reason we should be very circumspect in our dealings with them and we should NOT treat them as a responsible member of the international community...
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    delicious irony.

    please tell us more crazy opinions you assigned to your opposition. you are brilliant! hahahaha
    Uhh, in this thread the OP just decided that someone supported the Chinese and their disdain for religious freedom. I've yet to see evidence that anyone actually supports this action. When confronted on the issue, he went to vague talk about some mystery person who may or may not have an opinion on this particular situation.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    I disdain religious freedum... Imma cawmie!

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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    As much as I would like it for China to liberalise what you said is completely normative.



    But it was chinese...
    No, it's really not.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    article



    Amazing that there are still people in free countries who use their freedoms to defend and justify the actions of these thugs...



    And lest we forget, Ai is still in prison. "Economic crimes"... what a laugh...
    I can see some of the Euro-trash countries with anti-speech and anti-religious laws doing this sometime in the future.
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    They are compelled by different things to do what they do. There is no universal drive to limit free speech for its own sake.

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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    They are compelled by different things to do what they do. There is no universal drive to limit free speech for its own sake.
    No, but paranoia and control certainly play a part when talking about the CCP.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Uhh, in this thread the OP just decided that someone supported the Chinese and their disdain for religious freedom. I've yet to see evidence that anyone actually supports this action. When confronted on the issue, he went to vague talk about some mystery person who may or may not have an opinion on this particular situation.
    We have had various posters support the thugs in Beijing from time to time... Demon of Light being the most recent... but, did you read the comments on the Yahoo! boards? There definately ARE people defending these thugs... just their apologists on here are smart enough to stay away from this thread...
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    Re: Beijing police halt unapproved church service

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No, but paranoia and control certainly play a part when talking about the CCP.
    Likely, yes.

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