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WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

andrew cuomo's response to NEW YORK's budget mess

The State of the State begins with an honest analysis of the crisis that we face. In government, as in life, you can never solve a problem if you refuse to acknowledge it. The economic recession has taken an especially hard hit on the State of New York. In 2009, we had a twenty-six year high in unemployment, roughly 800,000 New Yorkers are now unemployed, hundreds of thousands more are under-employed. We have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period. Our taxes are 66% higher than the national average. Upstate is truly an economic crisis. In real GDP, from 2001-2006, upstate New York grew about 1.7% per year while the average in the nation was 2.7%. The costs of pensions are exploding, 1.3 billion in 1998-1999, projected for 2013, 6.2 billion - a 476% increase and its only getting worse.

The State of New York spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple. Our spending has far exceeded the rate of inflation. From 1994-2009, inflation was about 2.7% per year; medicaid when up over 5% per year and education went up over 6% per year. We just can’t afford those rates of increase. State spending actually outpaced income growth. State spending increased just under 6%, personal income growth was only 3.8%.

And most damaging, our expenses in this state far exceed revenue. We’ve been focusing on this year and the deficit this year, which is a very large deficit about $10 billion, and that is a problem and it is a major problem; what’s worse is it’s not just about this year. Next year, the problem goes to $14 billion. The year after, the deficit goes to $17 billion. This is not a one year problem my friends. This is a fundamental economic realignment for the State of New York. You look at the chart, you look at the arrows and this is an unsustainable rate of growth and it has been for a long time.

Not only to we spend too much, but we get too little in return. We spend more money on education than any state in the nation and we are number 34 in terms of results. We spend more money on Medicaid than any other state in the nation and we are number 21 in results. We spend about $1.6 billion per year in economic development and we are number 50 in terms of results.

And the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests, over the people of the State of New York. The proof is in the pudding. And New Yorkers are voting with their feet. Two million New Yorkers have left the State over the past decade. What does this say? It says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now. This is a fundamental realignment for the state. We are going to redesign our approach because the old way wasn’t working anyway, let's be honest.

We are going to start by transforming New York’s economy. Because what made New York the Empire State was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs in the State of New York. That’s what made us the Empire State once and that’s what’s going to make us the Empire State again. And we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says New York is open for business. We get it. And this is going to be a business friendly State.

Next, we are going to have to confront the tax situation in our State. The property taxes in New York are killing New Yorkers. Thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in New York when assessed by home value. In absolute dollars, Westchester County has the highest property taxes in the United States of America. Nassau County has the second highest property taxes in the United State of America. It has to end, it has to end this year. We have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future. New York has no future as the tax capital of the nation. Our young people will not stay. Our business will not come. This has to change.

Put it simply the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period.

We need to transform our budget. We have to start with an emergency financial plan to stabilize our finances we need to hold the line and we need to institute a wage freeze in the State of New York. We need to hold the line on taxes, we need a state spending cap and we need to close this $10 billion gap without any borrowing.

GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

leadership, anyone?
 
Bush was the most expensive president ever. He doubled the debt while driving the economy into the ground for the next president.

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It
is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing
financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies…
Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the
buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our
children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve
better.” - Sen. Obama, Congressional Record, S.2237-8, 3/16/06

That was before the debt exceeded 9 trillion dollars, Obama has now added almost 4 trillion to the debt in 2 plus years. Doubt Obama is qualified to talk about debt reduction
 
That was before the debt exceeded 9 trillion dollars, Obama has now added almost 4 trillion to the debt in 2 plus years. Doubt Obama is qualified to talk about debt reduction

2009 was Bush's budget. Revenues were in the toilet thanks to Bush's recession. It's amazing that people think republicans do a better job than democrats.(I don't care for either party) Six years of GOP rule has pretty much destroyed the economy. Blame Obama if it makes you feel better , but he really did inherit a disaster. It is undeniable unless you are in denial.
 
cuomo's doing a better job than anyone, and he's a dem

the more mature approach is not how we got here but how we get out

obama's a roadblock
 
2009 was Bush's budget. Revenues were in the toilet thanks to Bush's recession. It's amazing that people think republicans do a better job than democrats.(I don't care for either party) Six years of GOP rule has pretty much destroyed the economy. Blame Obama if it makes you feel better , but he really did inherit a disaster. It is undeniable unless you are in denial.

I am really getting sick and tired of the blame Bush rhetoric and the total dishonesty of liberals. Bush had absolutely nothing to do with the stimulus spending or the war supplemental for Afghanistan or the 350 billion he left for Obama to spend from TARP. What affect did those have on the 2009 deficit? Obama inherited a disaster and today we still have more unemployed than when he took office and more debt in two years than any other President in U.S. history other than Bush and he will exceed Bush the end of his first term.
 
I am really getting sick and tired of the blame Bush rhetoric and the total dishonesty of liberals. Bush had absolutely nothing to do with the stimulus spending or the war supplemental for Afghanistan or the 350 billion he left for Obama to spend from TARP. What affect did those have on the 2009 deficit? Obama inherited a disaster and today we still have more unemployed than when he took office and more debt in two years than any other President in U.S. history other than Bush and he will exceed Bush the end of his first term.

I agree with the above. It is truely sad after being on this site for a while to read how poorly educated many people are. Either that or that their political hackery is so think that they no longer have the ability to think indeprendently. If the white house and it's friends did not srew out talking points my sense is that many of the people of this site would have to leave as they would have nothing t say. Then they could study up on comic books and rebew their debate.

I came here oping for some folks who had the firepower (intellectually) to make me really think through my thoughts. I usally skip over at least 2/3 of the comments on this site rather than try and repond to someone who clearly can't or won't understand even basic economics, politics etc.

Best of luck finding a worthy debating partner.
 
2009 was Bush's budget. Revenues were in the toilet thanks to Bush's recession. It's amazing that people think republicans do a better job than democrats.(I don't care for either party) Six years of GOP rule has pretty much destroyed the economy. Blame Obama if it makes you feel better , but he really did inherit a disaster. It is undeniable unless you are in denial.

So, how did Bush cause the recession?

Cue the deer in the headlights.
 
2009 was Bush's budget. Revenues were in the toilet thanks to Bush's recession. It's amazing that people think republicans do a better job than democrats.(I don't care for either party) Six years of GOP rule has pretty much destroyed the economy. Blame Obama if it makes you feel better , but he really did inherit a disaster. It is undeniable unless you are in denial.

Obama added quite a bit to Bush's 2009 Budget, Counting from the day he entered office to today, Obama has doubled the yearly average deficit.
 
Bush was the most expensive president ever. He doubled the debt while driving the economy into the ground for the next president.

Typical liberal move......IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!

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2009 was Bush's budget. Revenues were in the toilet thanks to Bush's recession. It's amazing that people think republicans do a better job than democrats.(I don't care for either party) Six years of GOP rule has pretty much destroyed the economy. Blame Obama if it makes you feel better , but he really did inherit a disaster. It is undeniable unless you are in denial.

2009 was congress's budget, just like EVERY budget is congress's budget. 6 years of GOP spending added a considerable amount to the debt but managed to maintain unemployment at consistent low levels. 4 of democrat rule has added more than what the GOP added and consistent unemployment levels of 9% (with actual rates much higher). People that want to claim one party is superior to the other on this issue...well...thats just plain foolishness. And if you want to see it continued (witness the calls for raising the debt ceiling yet AGAIN with another annual deficit of well over a trillion dollars)...well...all both sides have to do is keep on with the mindless partisan rhetoric.
 
2009 was congress's budget, just like EVERY budget is congress's budget. 6 years of GOP spending added a considerable amount to the debt but managed to maintain unemployment at consistent low levels. .

You do know that was because of the housing boom, don't you? The boom and bubble that destroyed the economy. Bush and Greenspan used the housing sector to pull us out of the recession of '01 which led to the economic collapse never seen since the Great Depression. Unemployment was low because we were building millions of homes we didn't need and money pumped into the economy from refinancing mortgages. Great strategy. Destroy our future to make a couple of years look good.
Bush doubled the debt while the economy was booming. Great job.
 
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You do know that was because of the housing boom, don't you? The boom and bubble that destroyed the economy. Bush and Greenspan used the housing sector to pull us out of the recession of '01 which led to the economic collapse never seen since the Great Depression. Unemployment was low because we were building millions of homes we didn't need. Great strategy. Destroy our future to make a couple of years look good.

Of COURSE. And no DEMOCRAT was involved with any of that...and no irresponsible US citizen...registered politically or otherwise. It was all Bush-the guy liberals claim is an idiot yet he somheow managed to run cricles around every elected representative for 8 years which REALLY speaks poorly of the elected representatives...see...thats what happens when you have a monarchy.

Oh...wait...we dont...that must mean it is greater than the whole mindless empty headed rhetoric about it being George Bush's fault...or Clintons fault for deregulation in the 90's, or Obamas fault for not fixing it right away.

Its funny watching people shreik and wail about how everything is Bush's fault, yet go immediately silent when faced with the facts about their foolishness. Yes...Bush and the GOP contributed to the debt. Yes, Obama and democrats have contibruted not only to the 9 beillion in debt prior to their ascension to power but also to the added 5.5 trillion in the last 4 years.
 
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You do know that was because of the housing boom, don't you? The boom and bubble that destroyed the economy. Bush and Greenspan used the housing sector to pull us out of the recession of '01 which led to the economic collapse never seen since the Great Depression. Unemployment was low because we were building millions of homes we didn't need and money pumped into the economy from refinancing mortgages. Great strategy. Destroy our future to make a couple of years look good.

USA, keep running from the totally ridiculous comment you made yesterday which ignored the contribution that Obama made to the 2009 deficit. Then you claim that we got out of the 2001 recession and low unemployment because of the housing boom not realizing that the economic growth in 2002-2007 was a lot more than housing and employment was much greater in all sectors of the economy. Keep up with the partisan rhetoric that ignores the current data, more people unemployed today than before Obama took office and spent 800 billion on a stimulus and more debt will be added in his first term than any other President's total debt throughout history. "Your" President has no interest in cutting the debt and is a hypocrit.
 
Then you claim that we got out of the 2001 recession and low unemployment because of the housing boom not realizing that the economic growth in 2002-2007 was a lot more than housing and employment was much greater in all sectors of the economy.
Only a total partisan idiot could deny that low interest rates, refinancing of mortgages and the housing boom didn't fuel the economy after the 2001 recession. The housing sector affects all sectors, the financial sector, commodities, construction, insurance, transportation, natural resources, energy.......all sectors. We doubled new home construction after 2003 while millions more people refinanced their homes putting trillions of dollars into the economy. The housing boom/bubble is the only thing that pulled us out of recession after the tech bubble burst. It is the only reason there was a booming economy. It is also the reason why the economy collapsed.
It was very similar to the first housing boom in the eighties when Reagan deregulated the Savings and loans. It stimulated the economy in the short term but ended up costing taxpayers a 180 billion dollar bailout when the S&Ls collapsed. It also cost Bush Sr a second term. Lucky the tech boom came along to prevent a depression. Republicans seem to be destined to repeat history. To show short term results they mortgage the future..


Of course Obama has added to the debt. The biggest reason for that is he was left with an economy in ruins. McCain could have done no better.
 
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2009 was congress's budget, just like EVERY budget is congress's budget. 6 years of GOP spending added a considerable amount to the debt but managed to maintain unemployment at consistent low levels. 4 of democrat rule has added more than what the GOP added and consistent unemployment levels of 9% (with actual rates much higher). People that want to claim one party is superior to the other on this issue...well...thats just plain foolishness. And if you want to see it continued (witness the calls for raising the debt ceiling yet AGAIN with another annual deficit of well over a trillion dollars)...well...all both sides have to do is keep on with the mindless partisan rhetoric.


You make some wonderful points Vance, I am left asking however, who is that voice that can sort this out then?

j-mac
 
You make some wonderful points Vance, I am left asking however, who is that voice that can sort this out then?

j-mac

You...me...registered democrat and republican concerned citizens that transcend this mindless partisan bull**** and demand responsibility and fiscal accountability from their representatives. People willing to demand that congress live under the same expectation of the average citizen. We the people.

I know that sounds 'crazy'. What I dont get is WHY that sounds crazy.
 
Only a total partisan idiot could deny that low interest rates, refinancing of mortgages and the housing boom didn't fuel the economy after the 2001 recession. The housing sector affects all sectors, the financial sector, commodities, construction, insurance, transportation, natural resources, energy.......all sectors. We doubled new home construction after 2003 while millions more people refinanced their homes putting trillions of dollars into the economy. The housing boom/bubble is the only thing that pulled us out of recession after the tech bubble burst. It is the only reason there was a booming economy. It is also the reason why the economy collapsed.
It was very similar to the first housing boom in the eighties when Reagan deregulated the Savings and loans. It stimulated the economy in the short term but ended up costing taxpayers a 180 billion dollar bailout when the S&Ls collapsed. It also cost Bush Sr a second term. Lucky the tech boom came along to prevent a depression. Republicans seem to be destined to repeat history. To show short term results they mortgage the future..


Of course Obama has added to the debt. The biggest reason for that is he was left with an economy in ruins. McCain could have done no better.

Right, and only a partisan would blame Bush for the entire 2009 deficit ignoring the part that Obama played in that deficit. Only a partisan would ignore how Bush was called a stupid cowboy from TX who apparently was able to convince Democrats to do all those things that partisans claim destroyed the economy. And only partisans would ignore that since 2007 Democrats were in control of Congress and ran up over 5 trillion in debt and from 2009 to the present have more unemployment than when Obama took office. Only a true partisan would ignore current actual results to focus on distorting the past as they buy the rhetoric and ignore the facts.
 
Right, and only a partisan would blame Bush for the entire 2009 deficit ignoring the part that Obama played in that deficit. Only a partisan would ignore how Bush was called a stupid cowboy from TX who apparently was able to convince Democrats to do all those things that partisans claim destroyed the economy. And only partisans would ignore that since 2007 Democrats were in control of Congress and ran up over 5 trillion in debt and from 2009 to the present have more unemployment than when Obama took office. Only a true partisan would ignore current actual results to focus on distorting the past as they buy the rhetoric and ignore the facts.

I didn't blame Bush for the entire 2009 deficit even though we were still under his budget. You partisan hacks do realize that the economy collapsed in Oct 2008, right? You do realize that Obama really did inherited a mess, right? I have only stated facts. The housing boom/bubble fueled the economy after the 2001 recession. That is fact.
Obama inherited a disaster and you blame him for not fixing it.
 
I didn't blame Bush for the entire 2009 deficit even though we were still under his budget. You partisan hacks do realize that the economy collapsed in Oct 2008, right? You do realize that Obama really did inherited a mess, right? I have only stated facts. The housing boom/bubble fueled the economy after the 2001 recession. That is fact.
Obama inherited a disaster and you blame him for not fixing it.

This was your comment,
2009 was Bush's budget. Revenues were in the toilet thanks to Bush's recession
So tell me where the Democrats were when the recession was created? How could a dumb cowboy from TX fool so many elite Democrats? Where was the Democrat controlled Congress and what were they doing when "Bush was creating the mess" and wasn't Obama in that Congress? Obama didn't inherit anything that he didn't help create and the facts today show we are on the wrong track unless of course you believe the trillions added to the debt is sustainable and we are headed in the right direction?
 
You...me...registered democrat and republican concerned citizens that transcend this mindless partisan bull**** and demand responsibility and fiscal accountability from their representatives.

Sadly I don't even think that is possible today, given the reports now on FNS are how the latest budget CR was total BS. We've been lied to with that again.


People willing to demand that congress live under the same expectation of the average citizen. We the people.

I know that sounds 'crazy'. What I dont get is WHY that sounds crazy.


Well, we have a populace that is hooked on entitlements, and a recipient class that will not let this be touched. That is our own fault.


j-mac
 
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