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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Listen, it may surprise you to know that I actually agree with you when you are talking about control of government, liberty, big government, etc...But like I said I prefer to work within the system to change it, where as you seem to be telling me that you are standing outside the door screaming at the moon. That doesn't work.

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    I'm not working outside the system, I'm still voting for candidates which best echo my own political philosophy. In fact, that's the way in which our current system needs to work. Voting the lesser of two evils only leaves you with evil; and each successive administration the evil will just ratchet up. If I were working outside the system, I'd be working to bring it down. But I cannot support parties which have demonstrated an unwillingness to engage in small, constrained, responsible government. The Republocrats have demonstrated time and time again that they endorse large expansion of government, not constrained and reasonable government. If their political ideology does not line up with mine; why would I vote for it? If one of the main parties ever does come in line with my own platforms, I'll support them. But I don't see that as ever happening. They have skewed the system so much that they have essentially secured their power. It will merely bounce between R and D and each side knows that they just have to bide their time, run their mouths, run some obstructionist policies, and sooner or later they'll be back in charge. If you want to control the parties, you have to threaten their power base. It's the only way to make them come back in line.
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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

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    The President's actual budget for 2007 totals $2.8 trillion.
    The President's budget for 2009 totals $3.1 trillion.
    The President's budget request for 2010 totals $3.55 trillion
    I have been misspeaking a little here, I should be talking deficits, not actual spending....however.

    President Barack Obama has repeatedly claimed that his budget would cut the deficit by half by the end of his term. But as Heritage analyst Brian Riedl has pointed out, given that Obama has already helped quadruple the deficit with his stimulus package, pledging to halve it by 2013 is hardly ambitious. The Washington Post has a great graphic which helps put President Obama’s budget deficits in context of President Bush’s.

    What’s driving Obama’s unprecedented massive deficits? Spending. Riedl details:

    President Bush expanded the federal budget by a historic $700 billion through 2008. President Obama would add another $1 trillion.
    President Bush began a string of expensive finan cial bailouts. President Obama is accelerating that course.
    President Bush created a Medicare drug entitle ment that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new govern ment health care fund.
    President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. Presi dent Obama would double it.
    President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already in creased this spending by 20 percent.
    President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.

    President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.
    UPDATE: Many Obama defenders in the comments are claiming that the numbers above do not include spending on Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. They most certainly do. While Bush did fund the wars through emergency supplementals (not the regular budget process), that spending did not simply vanish. It is included in the numbers above. Also, some Obama defenders are claiming the graphic above represents biased Heritage Foundation numbers. While we stand behind the numbers we put out 100%, the numbers, and the graphic itself, above are from the Washington Post. We originally left out the link to WaPo. It has now been added.

    Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I have been misspeaking a little here, I should be talking deficits, not actual spending....however.




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    Obama's budget was 10% more than Bush's. Deficits grew because of the loss of revenue from the recession that began in '07.
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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Obama's budget was 10% more than Bush's. Deficits grew because of the loss of revenue from the recession that began in '07.
    So it had nothing to do with all of the massively increased spending that he undertook upon obtaining office eh?

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, according to your own post on wiki, it states that the cost of the Iraq war was about $12 Billion a month, that is approximately $144 Billion per year. In 2007 I believe that Bush's spending was around $250 Billion, now add that $144 Billion and you come out with $394 Billion. Obama's spending in February alone this year was $226 Billion. ONE MONTH! And the Shortest month of the year!!!!! Now can we get real here.

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    I would like to see a link for that.
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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    today, barack hussein says he REGRETS it

    The White House says President Barack Obama regrets his vote as a senator in 2006 against raising the debt limit.

    A fight over raising the debt limit is looming, and the White House is trying to explain away the apparent contradiction between Obama's previous opposition, and his position now that it must be increased.

    Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday that Obama believes his vote was a mistake. He said Obama now realizes that the debt ceiling is too important to be trifled with.
    WH: Obama regrets vote against raising debt limit - Yahoo! News

    he's currently trying to convince america that he's barack THE SLASHER

    failing to raise the debt ceiling, you'll be told, we all know, is CATASTROPHICALLY DANGEROUS

    good crises, tho they should never be wasted, are not the right time for on the job learning, president slash

    remember the time (in october) he told nymag he'd recently discovered THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A SHOVEL READY JOB

    he was only 862 billion dollars too late

    hey, slash, WHY DID YOU VOTE AGAINST RAISING THE DEBT CEILING WHEN WHAT'S HIS NAME WAS PREZ?

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I would like to see a link for that.
    Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So it had nothing to do with all of the massively increased spending that he undertook upon obtaining office eh?

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    Most of the deficit was caused by the drop in revenue due to the recession, the tax credits and stimulus that was recommended by the Head of the Federal reserve, a guy Bush appointed.
    It really would have been a different story had Obama not taken over an economy in ruins.
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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Most of the deficit was caused by the drop in revenue due to the recession, the tax credits and stimulus that was recommended by the Head of the Federal reserve, a guy Bush appointed.
    It really would have been a different story had Obama not taken over an economy in ruins.
    I know that Obama supporters would love to continue to blame all of Obama's failings on Bush, but that just simply isn't the case anymore. I could even buy that early on in Obama's regime, but today Obama owns this crap. He has signed on to nearly ALL of Bush's policies. Now that could just be laziness, or a provision of cover to get him to the next election, I don't know, but it sure isn't leadership, and it has ruined this country.

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Hey guys, how about we wait to see what he has in store for this Budget before we crucify him. P.S. I respect everyones arguments, but when you try to use Bush Jr. as a point of argument and say that he is better then Obama you are clearly dillusional

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