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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

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    You libs? Like I get orders from some big agency telling me what to believe
    You do. Geo Soros, Media Matters, and MSNBC. Cut and paste from any of these org's, and I'd wager it is mirroring what is posted here by the liberal glitteratti.


    The facts are that the wars are extremely expensive, and Bush didn't put the wars on the books, which made that graph look like Obama is spending way more than Bush, when in reality he isn't.
    I'd love to see a side by side of that. Even though you do have a point about off the books spending for the wars, it pales in comparrison to Obama spending. Obama spent $226 Billion in Feb alone.....

    We need to cut the military, social security, and medicaid if we are going to solve the deficit, and that hasn't happened yet, I hope it does soon.
    then I assume you'll back the Ryan plan.

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Doesn't really matter, nothing will actually change. The Republocrats spent us into this mess, and they'll continue to do so. We'll get into more wars, waste more American lives and American dollars, become more in debt to China; and all we'll have is the same players running and the same idiots arguing that their retard is the better retard so we should vote for him.
    More empty rhetoric....Ah well, even noise is something I guess.

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

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    Do you believe that the debt run up by Obama matters, Boo?
    I believe the debt matters no matter who runs it up. I prefer spending that is paid for and think we need both to cut spending and increase taxes. However, I remeber when I was making this arguement during the Bush years being told the debt didn't matter. I fid it odd that it now matters.

    And yes, there were some republcians who agreed with me then, but no where near the number we see today. Both parties spend. Both parties are responsible for our troubles. And neither we actually tackle the problem until made to.

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You do. Geo Soros, Media Matters, and MSNBC. Cut and paste from any of these org's, and I'd wager it is mirroring what is posted here by the liberal glitteratti.
    I really don't even know who Soros is, don't watch MSNBC(except for like their prison shows, stuff like that), and have never been to Media Matters. Your arguments sound stupid when you assume things about people.


    I'd love to see a side by side of that. Even though you do have a point about off the books spending for the wars, it pales in comparrison to Obama spending. Obama spent $226 Billion in Feb alone.....
    Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Here are some numbers about the Iraq war in general regarding spending
    The graph I responded too, was biased, and I pointed out that bias. I'm not denying Obama has spent alot of money, to say that Bush was economically responsible compared to Obama is ridiculous.

    then I assume you'll back the Ryan plan.

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    More empty rhetoric....Ah well, even noise is something I guess.

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    Just a statement on the reality of the system is all. Support the status quo as much as you want; you won't change a damned thing. Other than your arguments depending on whether or not a D or R is in power.
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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Just a statement on the reality of the system is all. Support the status quo as much as you want; you won't change a damned thing. Other than your arguments depending on whether or not a D or R is in power.

    Truly independent or Libertarian candidates don't have a sliver of a chance in hell, unless they make their bones in smaller local elections first. You can sit there and dream of putting the two parties out of power, but not in your lifetime will you see that happen of any significance.


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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Truly independent or Libertarian candidates don't have a sliver of a chance in hell, unless they make their bones in smaller local elections first. You can sit there and dream of putting the two parties out of power, but not in your lifetime will you see that happen of any significance.


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    Perhaps not, but support of the status quo will not change the status quo. I do not like the direction of big government, big spending, big deficit, big war, big brother expansionist policies the main party is pursuing. If I do not like it, I cannot support it. Thus I am left with no alternative but to vote third party. Maybe if the system was actually free and open and we had worthwhile debates with more than just 2 candidates we could maybe have better control over our government; which is the proper direction we must go in. I'm not going to support the status quo when the status quo is damaging to the Republic.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I really don't even know who Soros is, don't watch MSNBC(except for like their prison shows, stuff like that), and have never been to Media Matters. Your arguments sound stupid when you assume things about people.




    Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Here are some numbers about the Iraq war in general regarding spending
    The graph I responded too, was biased, and I pointed out that bias. I'm not denying Obama has spent alot of money, to say that Bush was economically responsible compared to Obama is ridiculous.



    I haven't read it, or gotten a summary so it would be foolish for me to have an opinion about it right now.
    Ok, according to your own post on wiki, it states that the cost of the Iraq war was about $12 Billion a month, that is approximately $144 Billion per year. In 2007 I believe that Bush's spending was around $250 Billion, now add that $144 Billion and you come out with $394 Billion. Obama's spending in February alone this year was $226 Billion. ONE MONTH! And the Shortest month of the year!!!!! Now can we get real here.

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Perhaps not, but support of the status quo will not change the status quo. I do not like the direction of big government, big spending, big deficit, big war, big brother expansionist policies the main party is pursuing. If I do not like it, I cannot support it. Thus I am left with no alternative but to vote third party. Maybe if the system was actually free and open and we had worthwhile debates with more than just 2 candidates we could maybe have better control over our government; which is the proper direction we must go in. I'm not going to support the status quo when the status quo is damaging to the Republic.
    Listen, it may surprise you to know that I actually agree with you when you are talking about control of government, liberty, big government, etc...But like I said I prefer to work within the system to change it, where as you seem to be telling me that you are standing outside the door screaming at the moon. That doesn't work.

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    Re: WHitehouse: Obama to lay out Spending Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In 2007 I believe that Bush's spending was around $250 Billion, now add that $144 Billion and you come out with $394 Billion.

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    The President's(Bush) actual budget for 2007 totals $2.8 trillion.
    The President's(Bush) budget for 2009 totals $3.1 trillion.
    The President's(Obama) budget request for 2010 totals $3.55 trillion
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