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    Re: Libya: African leaders head to Tripoli talks

    cease fire, anyone?

    today: My Way News - New battles in Libya, strains in NATO campaign

    remember obama's justification for united states intervention in libya emphasized the need to prevent mass exodus, ie, refugees

    today: FT.com / Middle East & North Africa - UN says 500,000 flee Libya fighting

    and, of course, ongoing: France says NATO must do more in Libya - Yahoo! News

    did you ever think you'd see the french criticizing the united states for not fighting hard enough

    are you sure this white house knows what it's doing

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    IMO, it is increasingly clear that the unspoken aim of the NATO operation is regime change. The aim is unspoken, because UNSC Res. 1973 on which the intervention was justified does not call for regime change. Nonetheless, the statements of various participating governments have made clear that their leaders insist that Gadhafi must step down. Most recently, at today's international summit on Libya, British Foreign Minister William Hague stated that one of the three purposes of the international summit is that Gadhafi must leave power. The BBC reported:

    UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said there were three main aims for the summit:

    Maintaining the pressure on the Gaddafi regime by implementing the UN resolutions and sanctions, and ensuring that Col Gaddafi leaves power...


    If NATO's intervention were solely about protecting civilians, regime change would not be brought up. Opportunities for arrangements that would protect civilians would be the focus of international gatherings on Libya. Therefore, periodic political denials notwithstanding, it is increasingly clear that the current military operations in Libya are, in fact, aimed at regime change. That, of course, entails potential long-running commitments.

    Should NATO be successful in achieving the goal of regime change in Libya, the big question concerns whether NATO's states would be willing to undertake the enormous tasks of building a viable stable government in Libya, not to mention averting the high risk of all-out civil war there. Fiscal challenges in some of the NATO states could well compete with the requirements of that task. Domestic opinion could also cut against such an undertaking.

    IMO, as noted previously, as no critical U.S. interests are involved, I do not believe the U.S. should be participating in regime change in Libya. That a grossly incompetent rebel movement has failed to gain broad popular support among Libya's people and tribes and also has achieved little or no battlefield gains outside of what has been made possible by NATO, is not the United States' problem. The U.S. is not obligated to substitute its own resources and manpower to compensate for the rebels' shortcomings, especially as it has no critical interests at stake. Regime change is not required by U.S. interests and regime change is not a cost-free proposition.

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    Gadzooks, my good man. Are you suggesting that the Mass Media and our gov't and the UN are at cross purposes to the stated, well-publicized intentions. I thought that bullets going from West to East in Libya were automatically killing civilians and bullets going East to West were freedom bullets. I mean to clarify that dead civilians were actually good guys, and victims of murderous villainy, if the bullets were going West to East and not even counted as dead if the bullets were going East to West. These mass murders and rapes are hard to follow. Wasn't it all so much easier to have dead babies from incubators and crying Princesses. Where are the professional media manipulators when a country needs them. My goombah, Aberto, says the bullets fired by rebels that hit civilians were struck midair by bullets fired by no good, mealy mouthed, snot slinging Arabs with hunchbacks working for Some Kadaffy. The deflection is what accidentally killed the somewhat dead civilians, but it was the deflection that was responsible.. He couldn't speak for himself or provide a link because such things are against his Sunni beliefs. Man of conviction, don't you think?

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    today:

    [T]he more the intelligence agencies learn about rebel forces, the more they appear to be hopelessly disorganized and incapable of coalescing in the foreseeable future.

    U.S. government experts believe the state of the opposition is so grave that it could take years to organize, arm and train them into a fighting force strong enough to drive Gaddafi from power and set up a working government.

    The realistic outlook, U.S. and European officials said, is for an indefinite stalemate between the rebels -- supported by NATO air power -- and Gaddafi's forces.
    U.S., allies see Libyan rebels in hopeless disarray | Reuters

    meanwhile, are you following events nearer what the pros have always considered the center of united states security in the middle east---the gulf and israel

    in yemen, egypt, syria, jordan, bahrain...

    are you sure this state dept knows what it's doing

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    NATO runs short on some munitions in Libya - The Washington Post

    already?

    days, not weeks, huh, mr president?

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    today: the rebels are fleeing ajdabiya

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/wo...a.html?_r=1&hp

    for those not following the shifting fronts which have raced back and forth along that same coastal road as fast as wavell and rommel and auchinleck and montgomery, this is very bad news---for the rebels, that is

    Yahoo! Image Detail for - http://i.infoplease.com/images/mlibya.gif

    days, not weeks, anyone?

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    Re: Libya: African leaders head to Tripoli talks

    today, in a region traditionally considered far closer to united states national security interests:

    Dozens killed in Syria's bloodiest day of protests - Yahoo! News

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