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61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

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If a Euro-trash country can **** on Free Speech by enacting so-called hate speech laws then they can most certainly **** on freedom of religion and any other rights as well.


61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

Police on Saturday arrested 61 people _ including 19 women _ for attempting to hold an outlawed Paris protest against France's pending ban on face-covering Islamic veils, a top police official said.

Fifty-nine people were detained while trying to demonstrate at Place de la Nation in eastern Paris, as were two others while traveling there from Britain and Belgium, said Nicolas Lerner, chief of staff for the Paris police chief.

The arrests come amid in a rising, if small, groundswell of controversy over Monday's start of an official ban of garments that hide the face, which includes Muslim veils such as the slit-eyed niqab and the full face-covering burqa. Women who disobey the law risk a fine, special classes and a police record.

The demonstrators rallied in defiance of a ban of the protest ordered Friday by Paris police on the ground that a Muslim group's call for the rally was "clearly an incitement to violence and racial hatred," said Lerner.

"The demonstration was not banned because of the practice (among some Muslim women) of wearing veils, but because of the speech," he said, adding that Jewish groups and others had planned counter-protests _ raising the prospect of public disorder.

Most of the would-be protesters were released after being taken to police stations, though six remained in custody _ mostly on suspicion of being in France illegally, Lerner said.
 
Yeah, what's next, preventing Muslims from building a place of worship they can call their own?

Hey wait a minute.
 
Yeah, what's next, preventing Muslims from building a place of worship they can call their own?

Hey wait a minute.

Is there a law that prevents Muslims from building a mosque? Sure there are angry people trying to blame 9-11 on all Muslims and trying to prevent them building a mosque near ground zero. But this is not the same thing as banning where a mosque can be built. They can still build a mosque near ground zero.
 
Is there a law that prevents Muslims from building a mosque? Sure there are angry people trying to blame 9-11 on all Muslims and trying to prevent them building a mosque near ground zero. But this is not the same thing as banning where a mosque can be built. They can still build a mosque near ground zero.

Except when some of that "trying to prevent" stuff is done by trying to go through government channels for a ban.

Really, though, the key issue is that religious freedom has to work on a personal level too. Supporting "religious freedom" while trying to prevent a mosque from being built is a bit hypocritical. This happens a lot in this country.
 
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Except when some of that "trying to prevent" stuff is done by trying to go through government channels for a ban.

Really, though, the key issue is that religious freedom has to work on a personal level too. Supporting "religious freedom" while trying to prevent a mosque from being built is a bit hypocritical. This happens a lot in this country.

If those who were trying to blame 9-11 on all Muslims were successful in getting a mosque banned, what do you think would happen to that law? It would have been struck down for the simple fact it would blatantly violate "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". While Euro-trash countries with their anti-speech and anti-religious laws would still have their idiotic so-called hate speech laws and anti-religious laws that ban Muslim women from having their face covered in public.

Even posters posters here on DP who are trying to blame all Muslims for 9-11 would not agree to make it illegal.You do have to look to see how people voted in order to see the actual results because some people tried to cheat the polls.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/72171-mosque-near-wtc-moves-forward.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...-patriots-article-gz-mosque-do-you-agree.html
 
Not surprised.

This is France we are talking about.
Well excited to see if they elect racists into Government
 
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Does this law ban clowns too? 'cause under all the paint you can't tell who they are either. Hopefully it'll also ban mimes. Maybe of they just banned the French instead, it'd make the world a better place, just keep the people who make croissants and Brie.
 
Not surprised.

This is France we are talking about.
Well excited to see if they elect racists into Government

Race is not the question here, it is the French culture and the idea of "Liberté, égalité, fraternité". Wearing coverings over the head while in public doesn't promote any of those ideals or values. Islam, as a pre-medieval religion, can learn a great deal from the French if it truly wants to carry out some reformations.

If not, perhaps it is unwise for Muslims to emigrate to France.
 
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If France had only thought ahead, they could have only colonised Non Muslim countries...
 
Race is not the question here ...

You clearly have not been catching up with French politics.

There is a chance the National Front will get many seats.
Race isn't the question ... lol. Just lol.

This is just a attempt to get votes by pandering to the masses who are irrational and paranoid
 
Except when some of that "trying to prevent" stuff is done by trying to go through government channels for a ban.

Really, though, the key issue is that religious freedom has to work on a personal level too. Supporting "religious freedom" while trying to prevent a mosque from being built is a bit hypocritical. This happens a lot in this country.

And what stopped the bigots from preventing the mosque being built? American law, that's what. Can't say the same for Europe, though.
 
And what stopped the bigots from preventing the mosque being built? American law, that's what. Can't say the same for Europe, though.

Eh? There are no laws banning the building of mosques in Europe. In Switzerland right wing wackos got minarets banned, but that does not ban mosques. And Switzerland aint all of Europe.

And as for the protest.. well if these people had got the required legal permissions to hold a gathering for such a large crowd, something that is required in pretty much every single major city and country on the planet, then they would not have been arrested.
 
Except when some of that "trying to prevent" stuff is done by trying to go through government channels for a ban.

Really, though, the key issue is that religious freedom has to work on a personal level too. Supporting "religious freedom" while trying to prevent a mosque from being built is a bit hypocritical. This happens a lot in this country.

your criticism doesn't really make any sense. People trying to pass some law doesn't presuppose that the law will be seen as constitutional by the courts, nor is it evidence that we, as a country, don't respect religious freedom.

Also, due to free speech, they're well within their rights to advocate such, and the rest of us are free to ignore them
 
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your criticism doesn't really make any sense. People trying to pass some law doesn't presuppose that the law will be seen as constitutional by the courts, nor is it evidence that we, as a country, don't respect religious freedom.

Also, due to free speech, they're well within their rights to advocate such, and the rest of us are free to ignore them

Sharia is banned or is trying to be banned in some US states. You might have a technical freedom of religion on paper, but the citizens of especially "red" states could care less when it comes to Muslims it seems.
 
Sharia is banned or is trying to be banned in some US states. You might have a technical freedom of religion on paper, but the citizens of especially "red" states could care less when it comes to Muslims it seems.

1) Individuals are free to hate islam. However, their hate doesn't change the fact that they live under a legal system that guarantees Muslims the same religious freedom, and equality, they enjoy. So they could never hope to ban minarets, nor mosques, unless they mustered enough support to change the constitution

2) in regards to the anti-sharia laws, the one in Oklahoma was struck down as being unconstitutional. So I fail to see how such is evidence of a lack of religious freedom
 
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Eh? There are no laws banning the building of mosques in Europe. In Switzerland right wing wackos got minarets banned, but that does not ban mosques. And Switzerland aint all of Europe.

And as for the protest.. well if these people had got the required legal permissions to hold a gathering for such a large crowd, something that is required in pretty much every single major city and country on the planet, then they would not have been arrested.

Um, the Muslims got to build their mosques here too. So, what were you saying again?
 
You clearly have not been catching up with French politics.

There is a chance the National Front will get many seats.
Race isn't the question ... lol. Just lol.

This is just a attempt to get votes by pandering to the masses who are irrational and paranoid

Then please explain which race you're referring to.

If it is particular race that covers their heads, as you claim, it should be easy enough for them to stop doing it. It can't be that ingrained in their DNA.
 
Race is not the question here, it is the French culture and the idea of "Liberté, égalité, fraternité". Wearing coverings over the head while in public doesn't promote any of those ideals or values. Islam, as a pre-medieval religion, can learn a great deal from the French if it truly wants to carry out some reformations.

If not, perhaps it is unwise for Muslims to emigrate to France.

That is an unbelievably western centric view.

The belief that we in the west are somehow superior i think is a fallacy in itself.
 
Eh? There are no laws banning the building of mosques in Europe. In Switzerland right wing wackos got minarets banned, but that does not ban mosques. And Switzerland aint all of Europe.

And as for the protest.. well if these people had got the required legal permissions to hold a gathering for such a large crowd, something that is required in pretty much every single major city and country on the planet, then they would not have been arrested.

What does this have to do with the protests in France?
 
That is an unbelievably western centric view.

The belief that we in the west are somehow superior i think is a fallacy in itself.

What measurements are you using in the superior stakes? How do you believe any Muslim run country is superior?

If you traveled at all you would have seen that many countries have their own traditions, laws and cultures. France is no different in this regard than Argentina, Japan or Saudi Arabia. When you move to anther country you are often expected to follow these laws and traditions, as difficult a concept as that might seem to be for someone who have never left their home town.
 
Sharia is banned or is trying to be banned in some US states. You might have a technical freedom of religion on paper, but the citizens of especially "red" states could care less when it comes to Muslims it seems.

You donlt seem to have much of a debate happening for you here, PeteEU.

Instead, why not argue for the building of a Synagogue in Saudi Arabia?
 
What measurements are you using in the superior stakes? How do you believe any Muslim run country is superior?

If you traveled at all you would have seen that many countries have their own traditions, laws and cultures. France is no different in this regard than Argentina, Japan or Saudi Arabia. When you move to anther country you are often expected to follow these laws and traditions, as difficult a concept as that might seem to be for someone who have never left their home town.

Depends on your definition of superior, some muslim countries are fu ked up by historicalal reasons, other muslim countries...

Well...

I'll let you be the judge.

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Or not...

Since you're incredibly western centric and seem to want to be american more then Canadian...

So why don't you go do that?
 
Depends on your definition of superior, some muslim countries are fu ked up by historicalal reasons, other muslim countries...

Well...

I'll let you be the judge.

As you were the one who brought up the subject of superiority why not expand on that idea and comment further?

Or not...

Since you're incredibly western centric and seem to want to be american more then Canadian...

So why don't you go do that?

Don't know what you're driving at here or what it has to do with the topic under discussion.
 
Eh? There are no laws banning the building of mosques in Europe. In Switzerland right wing wackos got minarets banned, but that does not ban mosques. And Switzerland aint all of Europe.

And as for the protest.. well if these people had got the required legal permissions to hold a gathering for such a large crowd, something that is required in pretty much every single major city and country on the planet, then they would not have been arrested.

Nothing like asking permission to exercise a right, eh?
 
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