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61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

PeteEU said:
Sharia is banned or is trying to be banned in some US states. You might have a technical freedom of religion on paper, but the citizens of especially "red" states could care less when it comes to Muslims it seems.
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Legally in our courts, Sharia law should never come up as it's religious law and we wish to keep secular government.
 
Ikari said:
Legally in our courts, Sharia law should never come up as it's religious law and we wish to keep secular government.
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and yet you need a law banning Sharia law but not Jewish law.... or Christian law.. funny eh?
 
PeteEU said:
Yea.. you do know you have to ask permission in the US as well right?
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For certain things, yes. And it gets more ridiculous every year. The fact that there must be permission for certain rights is terrible. Association, speech, and redress are extremely important rights which must be upheld to the maximum for any free society. I don't want America to get as bad as Europe is, I want to do an about face and restore in full the rights and liberties of the individual.
 
PeteEU said:
and yet you need a law banning Sharia law but not Jewish law.... or Christian law.. funny eh?
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No, you don't need any of those laws. It in general does not come up in any form of criminal court where the government is prosecuting an individual.
 
The police patrolling the streets and making sure no one is wearing a burka is no different than the police in Saudi Arabia patrolling the streets making sure that every woman is wearing one. Two sides of the same coin.

The french have always been a racist culture but now their own culture clash is reading its zenith.
 
PeteEU said:
and yet you need a law banning Sharia law but not Jewish law.... or Christian law.. funny eh?
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That's like comparing a 5-year-old shoplifter to Charles Manson.
 
Laila said:
Not surprised.

This is France we are talking about.
Well excited to see if they elect racists into Government
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French are worried about the Muslim impact on their country. Who can blame them?

So, this may be a step in making France an unfriendly environment for Muslim immigration. There are really 2 choices after that. GTFO, or assimilate.
 
ric27 said:
French are worried about the Muslim impact on their country. Who can blame them?

So, this may be a step in making France an unfriendly environment for Muslim immigration. There are really 2 choices after that. GTFO, or assimilate.
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Muslims are not all that familiar with the concepts of either Liberty, Equality or Fraternity. They're confused.
 
Grant said:
Muslims are not all that familiar with the concepts of either Liberty, Equality or Fraternity. They're confused.
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Failing to evolve and assimilate is the problem a lot of those folks have.

True to your religion and pretend like it's 700AD...Thats a serious issue, right there.
 
PeteEU said:
and yet you need a law banning Sharia law but not Jewish law.... or Christian law.. funny eh?
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We don't need a law banning Sharia law. As Ikari said, any religious law is not going to take the place of the courts in the US. The state laws banning Sharia law are stupid and pointless, but also meaningless since they address a situation that already could never legally happen.

Where as the French and Swiss laws do have an actual impact on the way people live. Hardly comparable.
 
Psychoclown said:
We don't need a law banning Sharia law. As Ikari said, any religious law is not going to take the place of the courts in the US. The state laws banning Sharia law are stupid and pointless, but also meaningless since they address a situation that already could never legally happen.
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And yet the laws are still being pushed by rabid right wing fanatics and they are being passed.

Where as the French and Swiss laws do have an actual impact on the way people live. Hardly comparable.
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Fully comparable. US laws bans people from walking around nakid on the streets.. hence US law impacts on the way people live. Banning Sharia law will impact the way people live since it would be illegal for two Muslim to agree a contract according to Sharia law. Sorry but society impacts daily on how people live, and what the French and Belgiums are doing on Burka's is no different. Now what the Swiss did with the minaret issue, was just as stupid as banning Sharia law in the US. It had zero impact in reality.
 
PeteEU said:
And yet the laws are still being pushed by rabid right wing fanatics and they are being passed.
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I doubt it is only the "rabid right wing fanatics" who want to preserve human rights and freedoms but, as has already been explained, the bill to outlaw Sharia is redundant.

The moment anyone in the United States or Canada starts stoning women and Gays then all those rabid right wing fanatics will be out there protecting them. The Left will be hiding under their beds.
 
PeteEU said:
And yet the laws are still being pushed by rabid right wing fanatics and they are being passed.
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"Just days after the ballot initiative was approved, Awad challenged it in federal court, telling Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange that the amendment curtails his religious freedom. After a brief hearing on Monday, Miles-LaGrange granted a temporary restraining order and said the law may not be certified until all the constitutional arguments are heard."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131168920
 
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Grant said:
I doubt it is only the "rabid right wing fanatics" who want to preserve human rights and freedoms but, as has already been explained, the bill to outlaw Sharia is redundant.

The moment anyone in the United States or Canada starts stoning women and Gays then all those rabid right wing fanatics will be out there protecting them. The Left will be hiding under their beds.
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there are arbitration courts in the US that deal solely with civil matters. And if both parties openly agree to such a process, then they are free to enter these under the guidance of a religious authority

jewish arbitration - Jewish Beth Din

Personally I think allowing any such court is problematic, but outlawing their use for one specific religion would clearly be unconstitutional
 
Grant said:
What's so funny about stoning women and Gays?
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You simply will never understand. When it is justified under Sharia law its OK...and they dont stone ALL women (ok...they would stone all gays), just the ones that teach their children to read, dare to flirt, get raped, talk back to their parents, date outside of their religion or just in general people that the family doesnt like, etc. Oh...and honor killings...but those are for the good of the family AND the woman being stoned so that she can be free from her sinful ways. And not tempt men anymore.
 
PeteEU said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/us/politics/12mayor.html?_r=1

Here is a White Christian being arrested for not asking permission to exercise a right... and this happened in the US... the capital city, right in front of the seat of power.. Congress.
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OK, what the **** does someone's religion have to do with this? And it's pretty much BS to arrest someone for disorderly conduct at a protest less they were hurting someone. However, it's not exactly being arrested for not asking permission. They were protesting, he didn't get arrested for protesting. He was arrested for disorderly conduct.
 
VanceMack said:
You simply will never understand. When it is justified under Sharia law its OK...and they dont stone ALL women (ok...they would stone all gays), just the ones that teach their children to read, dare to flirt, get raped, talk back to their parents, date outside of their religion or just in general people that the family doesnt like, etc. Oh...and honor killings...but those are for the good of the family AND the woman being stoned so that she can be free from her sinful ways. And not tempt men anymore.
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OK My mistake. They only stone Gays and 'some' women.

But let's be fair here. They don't stone all Gays either. Some they hang from lampposts.
 
Ikari said:
OK, what the **** does someone's religion have to do with this? And it's pretty much BS to arrest someone for disorderly conduct at a protest less they were hurting someone. However, it's not exactly being arrested for not asking permission. They were protesting, he didn't get arrested for protesting. He was arrested for disorderly conduct.
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Religion has something to do with OP post, and hence I feel fully justified to mention the religion of most if not all those arrested for EXACTLY the same thing in Washington DC.
 
PeteEU said:
Religion has something to do with OP post, and hence I feel fully justified to mention the religion of most if not all those arrested for EXACTLY the same thing in Washington DC.
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Religion had nothing to do with the protest or the arrest for disorderly conduct.

Nothing. Nada. Zip.
 
PeteEU said:
Religion has something to do with OP post, and hence I feel fully justified to mention the religion of most if not all those arrested for EXACTLY the same thing in Washington DC.
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But it wasn't exactly the same thing, as you've been told. So, what's your point then? In America religion doesn't matter, it may in France but then again France is one of the (if not #1) most xenophobic countries out there. They directly arrested 61 people for protesting. Where as in your post you gave 1 person was arrested, not for the act of protesting like in France, but rather for disorderly conduct. Doesn't strike me as EXACTLY the same thing.
 
Grant said:
OK My mistake. They only stone Gays and 'some' women.

But let's be fair here. They don't stone all Gays either. Some they hang from lampposts.
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No they dont. Those were like...scarecrow gays. if its the images from Iran, then they CANT be real gays, because Iran HAS no gays...remember? Sheesh...
 
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