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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And yet the laws are still being pushed by rabid right wing fanatics and they are being passed.
    And your point is? I've already said those laws are stupid, pointless, and ultimately meaningless. They have 0 impact on the lives of people, since Sharia law (and any other relgious law) could never be legally enacted before those laws were passed.

    Fully comparable. US laws bans people from walking around nakid on the streets.. hence US law impacts on the way people live. Banning Sharia law will impact the way people live since it would be illegal for two Muslim to agree a contract according to Sharia law. Sorry but society impacts daily on how people live, and what the French and Belgiums are doing on Burka's is no different. Now what the Swiss did with the minaret issue, was just as stupid as banning Sharia law in the US. It had zero impact in reality.
    Laws prohibiting public nudity don't infringe on a person's right to practice their religion. Laws banning burquas do. Yes, laws usually impact the way people can live their lives, but not all laws infringe upon religious freedom. The burqua bans do and are just as xenophobic as the Swiss ban on minarets or the Oklahoma ban on Sharia law.
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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Laws prohibiting public nudity don't infringe on a person's right to practice their religion. Laws banning burquas do.
    Banning burkas is not infringing on anyone's right to practice the religion of Islam. It's not even close.

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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

    That is a step for Iran war. The ruling class need excuse to start war on Iran – false flag attacks on Western countries. (Like 911 attack to justify Iraq, Afghanistan war) What causes the “terror attack”? In France, it will be “veil ban”. In US, it will be “Quran burning”. It’s not a coincidence they both happened in recent days. Beware of coming “terror attack” and followed by war on Iran. Discuss the civil right is a waste of time. The ban is a deliberate provocation, a part of war plan.

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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    That is a step for Iran war. The ruling class need excuse to start war on Iran – false flag attacks on Western countries. (Like 911 attack to justify Iraq, Afghanistan war) What causes the “terror attack”? In France, it will be “veil ban”. In US, it will be “Quran burning”. It’s not a coincidence they both happened in recent days. Beware of coming “terror attack” and followed by war on Iran. Discuss the civil right is a waste of time. The ban is a deliberate provocation, a part of war plan.
    Those third world morons could find a tube of toothpaste "provocation".

    The western democracies can't constantly be treading on eggshells for fear of provoking a people still living in the seventh century. It's up to them to adapt and move up to the modern world.

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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Banning burkas is not infringing on anyone's right to practice the religion of Islam. It's not even close.
    It seems some muslims view the practice as being integral to their faith. SO I fail to see how banning it *wouldn't interfere with the free practice of their religion

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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    It seems some muslims view the practice as being integral to their faith. SO I fail to see how banning it *wouldn't interfere with the free practice of their religion
    This tradition goes backs to the days of disco and Saturday Night Fever. It has nothing to do with Islam as preached by Mohamed.

    Some people will argue that pot is central to their religion also, but that doesn't make it so. Not when all the evidence suggests otherwise.

    It is a symbol of oppression, and a deliberate segregation of one group of people and their cultures from another. That's all it is and no more.

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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This tradition goes backs to the days of disco and Saturday Night Fever. It has nothing to do with Islam as preached by Mohamed.
    we are not discussing your views of Islam, we are discussing what other people see as an integral part of their religion


    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Some people will argue that pot is central to their religion also, but that doesn't make it so. Not when all the evidence suggests otherwise.
    and some random person making a claim on the internet does not make something so, especially when there are passages in the quran and sunnah that lend themselves to such an interpretation, a clear religious tradition of such, and a historical precedence of the belief


    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is a symbol of oppression, and a deliberate segregation of one group of people and their cultures from another. That's all it is and no more.
    people view all manner of things as symbols of oppression. However, I fail to see how that justifies making something illegal, especially when it will restrict their constitutional rights

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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    we are not discussing your views of Islam, we are discussing what other people see as an integral part of their religion
    Just wonderin....You're a cop and you pull over a female driver for speeding who is wearing a burka which covers her face. The lady refuses to remove the face mask because "she is a Muslim" but has DL, insurance and registration all in order.

    What do you do?

    Here's a hint - There is a reason for the picture ID. The picture being the main way we identify people

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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    It seems some muslims view the practice as being integral to their faith. SO I fail to see how banning it *wouldn't interfere with the free practice of their religion

    And some Muslims think sending little giirls into burning buildings or 'honor' killings is integral to their faith. So what?

    Non-Muslims needn't pay attention to them.

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    Re: 61 arrested over banned Paris Muslim veil protest

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    and some random person making a claim on the internet does not make something so, especially when there are passages in the quran and sunnah that lend themselves to such an interpretation, a clear religious tradition of such, and a historical precedence of the belief
    The only mention on the Koran is to dress modestly. Not for women to wear a body shroud.



    people view all manner of things as symbols of oppression. However, I fail to see how that justifies making something illegal, especially when it will restrict their constitutional rights
    How people view these things is of no matter. We all have differences of opinion.

    The burka is not mentioned in any Constitution I'm aware of

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