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    Re: Boehner, Obama Remarks on Budget Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes. that's what Republicans are trying to do. So far the Democrats response has been to deny there is a problem; but hopefully that changes this wednesday.
    What happens Wednesday?

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    Re: Boehner, Obama Remarks on Budget Deal

    Not doing anything simply isn't a solution. The Republicans are putting forth one, and that's apparently changing the pay out structure of Social Security and working towards its ellimination. To my knowledge, the Democrats haven't proposed an option yet. If they wish to suggest raising the SS tax, more power to them...I'll give them credit for at least admitting there's a problem AND offering their solution.

    That said, to me raising the tax is simply putting a bandaid on the wound. We can keep bandaiding it so that we can go right back on our merry way until it bleeds through again, never really being healthy but never really having to stop. Or we can perform some surgery, end the bleeding, but have to go through a bit of down time for recovery. To me, the long term benefit of the latter is better than the short term indulgence of the former.

    2012's budget is going to be a very interesting time. The true amount that we were talking about in the 2011 budget was laughable, and it was pointed out far too much for it not to be in peoples minds. The 2012 budget needs to start making significant and worthwhile cuts to the budget. You can't scoop out a few thimble sized buckets of water from a sinking ship taking on gallons of water and expect it to make a big difference.

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    Re: Boehner, Obama Remarks on Budget Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What happens Wednesday?
    Supposedly Obama is going to release his no-this-time-for-real 2012 budget (i guess he's decided he get's to take a mulligan as his last 2012 budget sort of tanked) that's going to be an "answer to the Ryan plan".


    here's a hint: stand by for tax increases.

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    Re: Boehner, Obama Remarks on Budget Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not doing anything simply isn't a solution. The Republicans are putting forth one, and that's apparently changing the pay out structure of Social Security and working towards its ellimination.
    where? all i'm aware of is them switching Medicaid to a block grand and Medicare to a premium-support plan, like congresscritters get.

    To my knowledge, the Democrats haven't proposed an option yet. If they wish to suggest raising the SS tax, more power to them...I'll give them credit for at least admitting there's a problem AND offering their solution.

    That said, to me raising the tax is simply putting a bandaid on the wound. We can keep bandaiding it so that we can go right back on our merry way until it bleeds through again, never really being healthy but never really having to stop. Or we can perform some surgery, end the bleeding, but have to go through a bit of down time for recovery. To me, the long term benefit of the latter is better than the short term indulgence of the former.

    2012's budget is going to be a very interesting time. The true amount that we were talking about in the 2011 budget was laughable, and it was pointed out far too much for it not to be in peoples minds. The 2012 budget needs to start making significant and worthwhile cuts to the budget. You can't scoop out a few thimble sized buckets of water from a sinking ship taking on gallons of water and expect it to make a big difference.
    yeah, there's just plain not enough rich people to balance the budget and save the entitlements by increasing taxes on them.

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    Re: Boehner, Obama Remarks on Budget Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    where? all i'm aware of is them switching Medicaid to a block grand and Medicare to a premium-support plan, like congresscritters get.
    Whoops, you're right about this. I was going off another Senator's statement that we can't have these programs forever to get to where America needs to be, but looking at it he didn't have a specific plan regarding his comment.

    I don't think Ryan's ideas go anywhere near far enough, I do like them better than a tax increase though.

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    Re: Boehner, Obama Remarks on Budget Deal

    rather than quibbling over what is or isnt the total debt picture, it might behoove all US citizens to focus on (and to demand their elected representatives focus on) the known 14.5 trillion dollar debt and annual budget deficits. This playing word games does nothing but obfuscate the problem. Its a little like driving the car over the cliff and then bitching about what channel the radio is on.

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