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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    In reality neither side could do what they wanted until 2012 if one side had won the presidency and senate. We'll have to wait until 2012 for real budget reform.
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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    … There was NEVER a budget surplus under Clinton. …
    Perhaps, you are too young to remember; or, perhaps, you're too old to remember; either way, there was a time when government economists fretted about the Clinton federal surplus.


    Excerpted from “SURPLUS ESTIMATE HITS $5.6 TRILLION” By RICHARD W. STEVENSON, The New York Times, Published: January 31, 2001
    Even as projections of the federal budget surplus were revised upward once again, the Bush administration squared off with Democrats today over whether the government can afford everything the new president promised during the campaign, from a big tax cut to a national missile defense system.

    Despite growing concern about an economic downturn that could put a crimp on tax revenues this year, the Congressional Budget Office informed members of Congress late today that it expects the surplus to swell to $5.610 trillion over the next decade, in line with estimates that have been circulating on Capitol Hill for weeks.

    The new projection, which is to be released officially on Wednesday, is $1 trillion higher than the budget office's previous estimate, in July, and about $600 billion more than the Clinton administration's final projection, which was released last month. …
    The current federal deficit is substantially higher because of a severe economic recession brought about a failure of proper government oversight of the financial sector over the past decade. However the effects of that recession will diminish as the economy recovery proceeds. The real concern is the long term, built-in deficits; and, a substantial contributor to those are the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.
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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
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    Obama taking credit for spending cuts is laughable.
    This is why there won't be any budget next year. If they reach a deal and Obama signs it, he can take some credit for it which is exactly what Republicans don't want in a Presidential election year.

    It's sad but true -- the two parties care more about winning than they do about doing what's right for America.

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    This is why there won't be any budget next year. If they reach a deal and Obama signs it, he can take some credit for it which is exactly what Republicans don't want in a Presidential election year.

    It's sad but true -- the two parties care more about winning than they do about doing what's right for America.
    Exactly rocket88!
    the two parties care more about winning than they do about doing what's right for America.

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    We should've shut it down. It should be abolished, to force Americans to fight again for their freedom. Decent people of the land UNITE.

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you call it a win-win when Congress cuts $38 billion in spending against a $14 trillion deficit, you are delusional.
    You are confusing deficit with debt. This reduces the deficit by about 2 %. That is actually a pretty decent number. Federal spending is a significant fraction of GDP, so you do not want to cut too much at once or it will significantly hurt the economy. Cut 1 to 3 % per year from spending, combine that with GDP growth of 3ish %, and you are reducing the deficit at a fairly decent clip without risking harming the economy.
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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    We are not talking about FOX news or are we? This quote below directly from the EPA's website...unconstitutional. Congress shall make no law..
    EPA is called a regulatory agency because Congress authorizes us to write regulations that explain the critical details necessary to implement environmental laws. In addition, a number of Presidential Executive Orders (EOs) play a central role in our activities.
    I believe you attempted to make a point about the EPA doing something it shouldn't. And now you seem to be reversing course and agreeing with me. Very smart.

    The EPA's regulation of CO2 is legal, constitutional, and very necessary.

    If you're still confused, here's the case I was referring to: Massachusetts v. Environmental Protection Agency

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I believe you attempted to make a point about the EPA doing something it shouldn't. And now you seem to be reversing course and agreeing with me. Very smart.

    The EPA's regulation of CO2 is legal, constitutional, and very necessary.

    If you're still confused, here's the case I was referring to: Massachusetts v. Environmental Protection Agency

    I believe you attempted to make a point about the EPA doing something it shouldn't. And now you seem to be reversing course and agreeing with me
    No I am not reversing my point, I posted the EPA mission statement which is my complaint. The EPA was enacted by executive order making a unconstitutional arm of the government and having no power to make or enforce law. The President of the United States can not make federal agencies with powers over the states, if this is the case then we have a King. No need to go into the three branches of government or states rights, I am sure you are well aware of it's powers and how it's divided.

    Interesting and to the point..IMO it's correct. SCOTUS should know better and should stay with in the realm of the constitution, this decision wasn't unanimous. OH BTW no one wants to breath bad air.

    The EPA's regulation of CO2 is legal, constitutional, and very necessary
    For more than sixty years, however, this "non-delegation" doctrine has been honored only in the breach. This term, the Supreme Court will hear a case addressing whether that old principle, which our Founders thought essential to liberty, has any lingering vitality. At issue in Browner v. American Trucking Associations, Inc. is whether Congress improperly delegated its lawmaking powers to the Environmental Protection Agency when, in the Clean Air Act, it authorized the EPA to set national air quality standards at levels "requisite to protect the public health" with an "adequate margin of safety." How high the air quality standards should be, and at what cost, are quintessentially legislative decisions that constitutionally must be made by Congress alone. The Court of Appeals therefore held that the Clean Air Act is unconstitutional unless the EPA can offer an interpretation of the statute that confers upon the EPA only a gap-filling, and not a lawmaking, authority.

    Browner is a highly complex case, but much more is at stake than just national air quality standards. In a way, the validity of the entire administrative state is at stake. Independent administrative agencies, run by government officials who are neither elected to their new lawmaking capacity nor answerable to the chief executive, combine the lawmaking, executing, and judging functions of government in a single place — the "very definition of tyranny," according to James Madison.
    The Claremont Institute - Is the EPA "The Very Definition of Tyranny"?
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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    We should've shut it down.
    I strongly disagree. That would have amounted to nothing more than a punt on the big issues that need to be resolved.

    It should be abolished, to force Americans to fight again for their freedom.
    Anarchy is not a viable alternative. No society has flourished under anarchy.

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    No I am not reversing my point, I posted the EPA mission statement which is my complaint. The EPA was enacted by executive order making a unconstitutional arm of the government and having no power to make or enforce law.
    Sorry, but SCOTUS disagrees with you. They ordered the EPA to enforce the law.

    The law already on the books is the Clean Air Act.

    CO2 emissions are a public safety issue. Despite what coal shills like Inhof say.

    You keep revealing your total ignorance on this subject with every post...

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