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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The didn't make the law. They just enforce it.

    It's called the Clean Air Act. They don't teach that on Fox News.
    We are not talking about FOX news or are we? This quote below directly from the EPA's website...unconstitutional. Congress shall make no law..
    EPA is called a regulatory agency because Congress authorizes us to write regulations that explain the critical details necessary to implement environmental laws. In addition, a number of Presidential Executive Orders (EOs) play a central role in our activities.

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    It's been decades since Conservatives have been fiscally conservative, now they're just social conservatives.
    Republican Budget Makes $4 Trillion-Plus In Cuts : NPR

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    I am against supporting the leviathan we have now for our government, and it's because of this is why the middle class is pitted against all other classes...we are alone in this fight. A flat and fair tax is the answer along with putting the beast back on the box where it belongs.
    A flat fair tax raises taxs on the poor and middle class and dramtically lowers it for the richest americans...theres nothing fair about it

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    A flat fair tax raises taxs on the poor and middle class and dramtically lowers it for the richest americans...theres nothing fair about it
    How do you figure this?

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    A flat fair tax raises taxs on the poor and middle class and dramtically lowers it for the richest americans...theres nothing fair about it
    I have to disagree with you here. Under a flat tax, if there are no taxes on food, rent or mortgage, medicine, and tuition, the poor won't be suffering at all. What's more, corporations will have no choice but to pay their fair share. As it stands now, many of them pay ZERO. Tell me what's so fair about that.
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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    I would like to see avoiding the term "cuts" and just fight the abuse.

    Nobody wants to asks to ask for cuts in the Defense Dept as you are seen as Anti-America and taking food out of the mouths of the GI's and their families.
    Would prefer to see an aggressive whistleblower reward system. If you are a civilian company and get a contract with the military you just won the lottery. The $150 hammer is not a myth.
    I wrote to President Nixon in 1970 while in active service about the waste in the military. Was promptly answered by the Pentagon for jumping the chain of command.
    It is going to take the common citizen to act on the blowing of your tax dollars. You cannot depend on the congress to watch out for us.

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I would like to see avoiding the term "cuts" and just fight the abuse.

    Nobody wants to asks to ask for cuts in the Defense Dept as you are seen as Anti-America and taking food out of the mouths of the GI's and their families.
    Would prefer to see an aggressive whistleblower reward system. If you are a civilian company and get a contract with the military you just won the lottery. The $150 hammer is not a myth.
    I wrote to President Nixon in 1970 while in active service about the waste in the military. Was promptly answered by the Pentagon for jumping the chain of command.
    It is going to take the common citizen to act on the blowing of your tax dollars. You cannot depend on the congress to watch out for us.
    You right and I was once one of those who would accuse you of such, well not any more. I have seen enough and there is clearly a abuse but I would say on all levels of government starting at the local level on up to the federal level. It appears to me that anyone who gets any government contract at any level has won the lottery. The government should stick to it 18 enumerated powers opposed to the thousands it currently takes on...of course there will be exceptions.

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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    National Debt Increased by 75% under Bush:
    2001 - $5.871 trillion
    2008 - $10.640 trillion

    National Debt Increased 25% Under Obama:
    Jan 31st 2009 = $10.569-Trillion
    Jan 31st 2011 = $14.131-Trillion

    But of the $3.56-trillion increase, 98% was carry over from Bush programs:
    Bush: $910-billion = Interest on Debt 2009/2011
    Bush: $360-billion = Iraq War Spending 2009/2011
    Bush: $319-billion = TARP bailout Balance from 2008 (as of May 2010)
    Bush: $419-billion = Bush Recession Caused Drop in taxes
    Bush: $190-billion = Bush Medicare Drug Program 2009/2011
    Bush: $211-billion = Bush Meicare Part-D 2009/2011
    Bush: $771-billion = Bush Tax Cuts 2009/2011

    Bush's contributions:
    2001 to 2008: $4.769-trillion
    2009 to 2010: $3.181-trillion
    Total: $7.950-trillion
    Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 - $5.871 = $8.26-Trillion
    Bush's contribution: $7.950-trillion / $8.26-Trillion = 96%

    Obama only contribution: $580-billion = Stimulus Spending (as of Dec 2010).
    Increase caused By Bush's Programs: 96%
    Increase caused by Obama's Programs: 4%

    And lets not forget that Bush inherited a massive surplus from Clinton, whereas Obama inherited Bush's economic crater. It's been decades since Conservatives have been fiscally conservative, now they're just social conservatives. Harper is just a bad as Bush.
    Bull**** alert! Bull**** alert! That little bolded tidbit has been debunked many times, so why keep saying it? There was NEVER a budget surplus under Clinton. And the democratic congress in control the last 2 years of the Bush administration is responsible for the mess Obama has. He has noone to thank but his own party. Clinton's congress was much better, but no surprise here, it was run by republicans. So congress, not the president, is responsible for spending. Repubs have proven they are for at least trying to spend less.
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    Re: Shutdown avoided, White House, Congress cheer deal

    Keynesian economic theory tells us that this is the wrong time to be cutting government spending; when there is a dearth of consumer demand, government deficit spending is an excellent way to create demand in the economy.

    The country is not broke; Tea Party people say this all the time but it's not true, far from it. The U.S. has had no trouble selling Treasuries. The current national debt is roughly equal to the national GDP. The real issue is the long term, not the short term.

    Federal taxation levels are at all time lows, 16% of GDP, while spending is at 25% of GDP; that difference is the deficit. We should, over the next decade gradually close that gap through combinations of spending cuts and tax increases; the president's debt commission recommended 80% spending cuts and 20% tax increases.

    But the current Tea Party proposal for draconian, immediate spending cuts is both wrongheaded and harmful; they will cost us more in the long run by extending the recession and harming American growth potential now and in the future.

    This 2011 budget was a big victory for the Tea Party: they changed the focus from economic recovery through Keynesian theory-based government spending to reducing the deficit through arbitrary and harmful spending cuts. As some have already pointed out, worse yet maybe immediately before us.
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