It has everything to do with it. People are arguing against defunding by pointing out other services Planned Parenthood offers and I am pointing out that their services in this regard are very, very small in comparison to their role in abortion services.
This is dishonest, simply because the issue is far more complex than you are presenting.
I was just saying you should have because then you would be correct. Apparently you don't have an interest in being correct.
I've told you before, DoL. You do not get to tell me what my position is. I know you would much prefer to argue against what you WISH I had said than what I actually said. Too bad. Try to be honest when you debate.
Here you go:
You apparently think that if you did not use the exact same words that you can get out of what you actually have said. Not gonna work.
What's not going to work is you attempting to straw man my argument. Again, I know you would MUCH prefer to argue against what you WANT me to have said, but THAT'S not going to fly. Your descriptions were over the top and absolute. Mine were not. You failed, again.
It is not an appeal to emotion anymore than it is to call a mass-murder of people due to their race genocide.
Of course it is. You don't want it to be because it prevents you from attempting to validate your position using emotional and inaccurate terminology. Debate correctly and we won't have these problems.
I have considered the "repercussions" but you see the difference is that, unlike you, I think protecting millions of innocent lives is worth dealing with any repercussions. Nowhere did I say I do not have an idea of how to deal with problems, but my point is these problems already exist and so the only real change would be an increase in cases. What you really want me to do is come up with a solution to all the existing problems before I can suggest stopping abortions. If you have a situation where hundreds of thousands of babies are being killed a year, you don't ask how to deal with the consequences of stopping before you decide it needs to be stopped. Basic human compassion would demand that you stop it as soon as possible even if you do not have a way to deal with resulting problems that are, all in all, less severe than hundreds of thousands of babies being killed a year.
More appeal to emotion.
DoL, the situation would be different. I do not care about you solving the current situation. Give some solutions to the issues that the addition of hundreds of thousands of children will bring. This is not a small matter. You want this, you identify how it works.
Like I said, my position here is backed by the Constitution. The Supreme Court is not the law. The Constitution is the law.
Abortion is currently legal. Your position is invalid based on that.
Nowhere have I said in any way that I do not have a plan. I just think the demand for a plan for after it is stopped is absurd. Like I said, you don't wait to come up with a plan for the aftermath when you are dealing with the massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocent children. Not everyone is going to have a plan and your claim that without such a plan the demand is illegitimate is just complete nonsense.
I am completely fine the way things are. You want the change? Convince me that it is viable. Can't do that? All you have left is your constant appeals to emotion.
I understand that people with lower income are not unable to obtain these services because even among the poor Planned Parenthood does not make major contributions. For instance, 30% of the patients are on Medicaid so the only difficulty they would run into is finding another medical facility in the area. Of clinics funded by Title X Planned Parenthood makes for a whopping 14%. In other words 86% of clinics that provide these services to the poor, without including clinics that do not receive Title X money but accept Medicaid enrollees, would still be operating even if Planned Parenthood were to shut down.
DoL, you do not understand the difficulty in finding Medicaid providers. Medicaid pay SO poorly, most providers refuse to accept it. So, telling someone to find another Medicaid provider is not so easy.
I'm not sure what you are trying to prove here. I have no problem with a facility that provides abortions getting federal aid as long as that aid is not being used for abortions.
You can say something that has truth to it and still be dishonest. In this case that is exactly what you and Chappy are doing. In fact, I just saw something indicating how dishonest these figures are:
Source:
Planned Parenthood
In other words it was actually about 11% of their clients that received abortions in 2009. Huh, that makes it seem like abortion is a lot more significant for Planned Parenthood than some are trying to lead people to believe. When you look at the information it is pretty interesting since cancer screenings are given to about 30% of clients, which corresponds to the number on Medicaid. So quite probably most, if not all, people given those screenings will be able to get the same services at another clinic.
OK. Let's say that is accurate. So, 11% of what PP does is provide abortions. 89% is other services. STILL... big difference.