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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Under the legal terms of THAT country, yes. Now, remember, we are talking legal here. That does not mean that I would not think that the acts were not morally reprehensible.
    Ok, so someone who opposes the DP and works to have it abolished are also attempting to "legislate" their own morality, right? I ask that, because I saw someone here saying that pro-lifers are wanting to legislate morality like it's a bad thing.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No.

    Since other definitions exist, one cannot arbitrarily presume to apply one's preferred meaning on another's statement. To do so automatically forces the vision of a murder of crows leading to an investigation and prosecution for animal cruelty.
    Yes.

    We are not discussing crows. You are parsing definitions. CaptainCourtesy enjoys exposing folks who do that. Murder is a legal term in this case. It does not apply to abortion, and using it appeals to emotion. Killing is accurate.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Point out where I said that abortion is not about convienience and then get back to me.




    Wrong. That is the irresponsible course. Setting something in motion without a plan of how to deal with it is like building a house without a foundation. This is classic from some pro-lifers. You want to end abortion, but you have no plan... nor desire to deal with what that means. With no plan, there is no reason to consider ending abortion from how I see it.



    Irrelevant. Abortion is legal, currently. Therefore, it is not murder as defined, legally.
    What do you mean pro-life people have no plan? The plan is to end abortion, your attempt at finding flaws is mediocre at best. The "plan" would involve making abortion completely illegal forcing all clinics and funding to close.

    Just because abortion is legal does not mean it doesn't contradict another law. Pro-life people simply point out this contradiction; i don't think you want murder to become legal instead of both being illegal. All you are doing is making distracting arguments from the actual origin of the disagreement at hand.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Pointing out blatantly moronic statements for what they are isn't really exceeding expectations imho.
    Actually, it doesn't happen to often around here when folks do that to other folks on their OWN side... no matter how silly the argument is.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Mayor Snorkum is perfectly aware that this reference dates him severely, but your needle stuck. Go get your turntable serviced, your argument has already been defenestrated by multiple posters.

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    But....killing what? Why, killing a human child.

    Now you can go round and round with that, I'm going to move on to some other topic that is less threadbare and shopworn. One must close one's mind before one can murder a child.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yes, your lean told me PRECISELY how you would answer. DO NOTHING. Which is exactly why I commented on the overly simplistic view of a complex problem.
    It just so happens that if people die on the side of the road I'm not really all that affected, but if I'm forced to keep that person alive I am. Go figure. Your argument is almost moot. People die all the time because they fail in life and sometimes that takes people with them. Am I supposed to be scared of it? Think OMG its so unacceptable!? Really? Why would I think that? Humanity? The liberals idea of helping people? Look I'm all interested in avoiding people from dieing on the side of the road, but its not like its the end of the world or that will cause some kind of horrible disaster if it did. Your post is over reacting to a problem and unwillingness to accept private means of help. Which is fine, but you can't honestly say I have no plan.

    You are trying to say the result of my action would cause strain on society, but since these people are hardly involved in society that can't afford life, it is almost not an issue unless someone was paying for them like the government.

    Still, what their situation is going to be does not warrant the action taken by the mother, sorry.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by cAPSLOCK View Post
    The pro-choice voices in this thread correctly responding to the OP's useof the "terrorist card" renews my hope for humanity. Thanks.
    Yeah, that was cool. I just would also have liked to see someone take issue with the part about conservatives wanting to bring America to it's knees.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The most radical social conservative elements, really terrorists amongst us, have tried to bring America to its knees. They failed but they were far too close to succeeding.
    An attempt to stop federal funding of abortion is terrorism now? This would bring America to it's knees how?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    What do you mean pro-life people have no plan? The plan is to end abortion, your attempt at finding flaws is mediocre at best. The "plan" would involve making abortion completely illegal forcing all clinics and funding to close.
    This is no plan. Not at all, Too may pro-lifers ignore that societal ramifications of doing this. I've already outlined them. Not addressing them demonstrates you all have no plan, nor are you interested in coming up with one. You tell me how society should manage all of the unwanted children that will then be around, and I will happily listen and discuss your plan. Until then, your reasoning for ending abortion is completely short-sighted and has no impact on altering my views. Or many others, too. Currently, abortion is legal. You all want it to be illegal. Convince us by telling us what will happen next... not some lame answer of "whatever". I have been looking for a reason to switch my position for a long time, but as of yet, no one has been able to come up with any suitable answer to "what happens next".

    Just because abortion is legal does not mean it doesn't contradict another law. Pro-life people simply point out this contradiction; i don't think you want murder to become legal instead of both being illegal. All you are doing is making distracting arguments from the actual origin of the disagreement at hand.
    Abortion being legal does not contradict any other law. Not currently. And I attack the use of the word because it is an appeal to emotion logical fallacy... and I will continue to do so. The word "killing" is accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It just so happens that if people die on the side of the road I'm not really all that affected, but if I'm forced to keep that person alive I am. Go figure. Natural selection...it happens.
    I have big problem with social darwinism. We do not live in a vacuum. The affects of individuals have impacts on the entirety of society. When it comes right down to it, that is the biggest problem with your "lean".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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