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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    yes, anyone who does not agree with you is a terrorist...
    Once again you not only get it wrong but you're not even the first to get it wrong.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    you fail to see it because you are intent on oversimplifieng the most complex organ in the human body. not to mention the least understood.
    i am failing to see it because there is nothing to see. can we agree the law needs something to make it not so complex an issue? i agree it is the least understood part of the body but answer me this. which organization more than any other has tried to prevent the study of said organ throughout history and why?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    how about this mac do you agree that the two extrems of this arguement are the "life begins outside the womb" & "life begins at conception" (which i'm guessing you are in this camp) crowds? and that any real meaningful legislation is going to come from somewhere in the middle of the two? and that my arguement does not support either extreme but lies somewhere in the middle of the two extremes?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    i am failing to see it because there is nothing to see. can we agree the law needs something to make it not so complex an issue? i agree it is the least understood part of the body but answer me this. which organization more than any other has tried to prevent the study of said organ throughout history and why?
    do tell: which organization has blocked study of the human brain?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    do tell: which organization has blocked study of the human brain?
    in leonardo's day he had to do anatomy in the back alleys and basements to not be prosicuted by the church and to this day the church continues the squelching of information which may be detrimintal to its existance.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    1.) you are mixing "brain dead" and "vegitative state" two different things the law is CLEAR about when someone is dead.

    Well, not as clear cut as you would like I am sure.

    "As opposed to brain death, persistent vegetative state (PVS) is not recognized by statute as death in any legal system. In the US and UK, courts have required petitions before termination of life support that demonstrate that any recovery of cognitive functions above a vegetative state is assessed as impossible by authoritative medical opinion.[2]"

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    2.) i think the law should pretty much stay the way it is now with MY clarification/cooperation of the laws conserning when someone is LEGALLY alive and dead.

    Only that 'your' particular clarification, or definition as it stands is woefully inaccurate.

    3.) no, i didn't get mad that the current law helps my arguement.
    applicable word here is 'current'.

    4.) i said tax payers should cover the bill when a women gets a "needed" (which you agree that there are conditions in which they are appropriate)abortion 3 times seems like plenty to me after that it is clear she is using it for contriception at which point i think the tax payer is no longer liable.
    life of the mother is the only one I would concede paying for.

    5.) change the law. good luck with that.
    Amendment process is the only way that this becomes anything close to an actual right. Short of that it will always be politicized.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, not as clear cut as you would like I am sure.

    "As opposed to brain death, persistent vegetative state (PVS) is not recognized by statute as death in any legal system. In the US and UK, courts have required petitions before termination of life support that demonstrate that any recovery of cognitive functions above a vegetative state is assessed as impossible by authoritative medical opinion.[2]"

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    Only that 'your' particular clarification, or definition as it stands is woefully inaccurate.



    applicable word here is 'current'.



    life of the mother is the only one I would concede paying for.



    Amendment process is the only way that this becomes anything close to an actual right. Short of that it will always be politicized.

    j-mac
    so you agree then "vegitative state" does not = death?
    how again is my definition not accurate?
    yes current, good luck getting your FAR right views passed!
    so then if it was your mother/wife's life on the line you would want abortions available for them or would you prefer they get a back ally type?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    good luck getting your FAR right views passed!
    Far right? ha! I don't think so. See if this question on abortion was put up where it should be, in the amendment process, you in defense of it would loose badly, and you know it so you rely on packing the courts system to make it precedent by judicial fiat. It is to say the least a dishonest way of getting what you want.

    so then if it was your mother/wife's life on the line you would want abortions available for them or would you prefer they get a back ally type?
    This is a common scare tactic of misinformation used by the pro abortion crowd. It is neither factual, nor is it an honest question.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Far right? ha! I don't think so. See if this question on abortion was put up where it should be, in the amendment process, you in defense of it would loose badly, and you know it so you rely on packing the courts system to make it precedent by judicial fiat. It is to say the least a dishonest way of getting what you want.



    This is a common scare tactic of misinformation used by the pro abortion crowd. It is neither factual, nor is it an honest question.

    j-mac
    so where are your views even slightly left? i've got what i want already you are the one who wants to change the law completely to meet your right wing beilefs.
    okay then you are not for having abortions made available to women who NEED them even if it was your mother or wife's life that was on the line?
    now i am getting confused!!!

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    so where are your views even slightly left? i've got what i want already you are the one who wants to change the law completely to meet your right wing beilefs.
    I think positions I hold on some topics would be viewed as socially moderate. They just appear far to the right based on how far left you are.

    okay then you are not for having abortions made available to women who NEED them even if it was your mother or wife's life that was on the line?
    Now you are just outright misrepresenting my position. Is that where we are going? Dishonest arguments, fear mongering, and misrepresenting opponents positions?

    now i am getting confused!!!
    Now?

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