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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Ok, that would be conception....We agree then.

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    no that would not be conception that would be point when there is a brain present to function. somewhere around the end of the first trimester if i'm reading the medical info correctly. so j-mac you seem to think the human cells formed at conception are a living human?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    that may be true but don't you think it should be made available to those who that isn't the reason?

    Depends on the reason. Those that will die from the pregnancy, or are victims of violent crime, although I am mixed about the latter, could be allowed. However, in this country that is so small a percentage of the total it would be insignificant.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Depends on the reason. Those that will die from the pregnancy, or are victims of violent crime, although I am mixed about the latter, could be allowed. However, in this country that is so small a percentage of the total it would be insignificant.

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    but that is how it is now so what do you want to change?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    no that would not be conception that would be point when there is a brain present to function. somewhere around the end of the first trimester if i'm reading the medical info correctly.
    If left alone, the brains creation is unavoidable.


    so j-mac you seem to think the human cells formed at conception are a living human?
    Yes. They aren't a Tiger are they? They aren't a Fish are they? They are human.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    but that is how it is now so what do you want to change?
    On demand. that is how it really is now. Abortion as contraception is wrong.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    If left alone, the brains creation is unavoidable.




    Yes. They aren't a Tiger are they? They aren't a Fish are they? They are human.

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    okay so then do you think it is still a living human when the brain no longer functions? ie: "brain death" which is the definition for death in 48 states. or do you think someone isn't dead until all living human cells have fully decomposed?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    On demand. that is how it really is now. Abortion as contraception is wrong.

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    i think r.v.w. states that until the end of the first trimester yes pretty much anything goes. after that it's pretty much you need a "good" excuse. am i wrong here?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    okay if we can't adequately measure brain activity in the utero as you say then i say at the point which all the conditions/components are met for brain activity to happen should be that point. as tothe brain starting up and shutting down not being the "same" thing i agree they are the opposite and being the opposite would agree with oneanother according to the law that is the whole point. about the "about to happen" vs. "never will happen again" again those are the opposite of one another and the point of my whole arguement. so i just don't see how what you said is shooting holes in it maybe you could explain how these opposites don't relate to oneanother again without them just being opposite for that is MY whole point. life and death ARE the polar opposites of one another you do agree with that don't you mac?
    or do you mac think that polar opposites in the law can't support oneanother? do i need to come up with examples of that?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    okay if we can't adequately measure brain activity in the utero as you say then i say at the point which all the conditions/components are met for brain activity to happen should be that point. as tothe brain starting up and shutting down not being the "same" thing i agree they are the opposite and being the opposite would agree with oneanother according to the law that is the whole point. about the "about to happen" vs. "never will happen again" again those are the opposite of one another and the point of my whole arguement. so i just don't see how what you said is shooting holes in it maybe you could explain how these opposites don't relate to oneanother again without them just being opposite for that is MY whole point. life and death ARE the polar opposites of one another you do agree with that don't you mac?
    the brain doesn't start up "the opposite" of how it shuts down. thw reasons behind it starting up are not the same as shutting down the human brain is not a light bulb attached to a switch.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    On demand. that is how it really is now. Abortion as contraception is wrong.

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    i think if abortion is being used as a contraception then the taxpayers should not pay for it. i say the taxpayer should cover 3 abortions for any woman who NEEDS them if she has had 5 abortions and is going in for her sixth then she should pay for it. she will find out really fast that there are cheaper less painfull forms of contraception out there that she should be using.

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