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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Grey area? A grey area is the rationalization of a decision that is contrary to the individual or group's moral values. Generally, this decision is more expedient or convenient.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    See CC's comment on Communism.
    Why see his when we are having the conversation? Speak for yourself.

    I LOVE IT when Republicans bring this up. The best part of the "Republicans freed the slaves" argument is that Republicans, as we know them now, didn't actually free the slaves.
    Well "as we know them now" , there are no slaves to be freed.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    It seems then that the problem is solved. If it is that small they won't miss it and the funding of abortions can cease.

    Everyone wins!
    Unfortunately you miss the whole point. It is small that it won't make that much difference in our budget, but it is huge in the help it provides.

    Planned Parenthood did more than provide abortions - but I guess those that are so narrow minded cannot see the forest for the trees. Abortions will not cease, we will probably have more now that counseling will not be available.

    I don't see that anybody has won here. They didn't reduce the deficit/debt by much by taking away the funding for these programs, but they are making it more difficult for people that are already at a disadvantage. But, hey, we know the Republicans are all about the "people"!



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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    "A GREY AREA means something that is not clearly defined and needs careful judgement." Study up!

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    LOL...yep...that's the popular definition, but I went beyond that. I went into the reason people created the term "grey area".
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Quite right. But millions treated it as though it was realistic and as a result tens of millions died and many tens of millions more had their lives ruined. And this worst horror in modern times was aided and abetted by the Leftists.
    No. What it became was not Communism. It was fascism. It was aided and abetted by those of greed, both leftists AND rightists. Denying this is denying reality.


    Communism doesn't 'turn into' anything. It is what it is. That's being realistic.
    Communism always turns into fascism. That's being realistic.



    Sure, after the war was over and Communism propaganda took over. Then anyone who didn't follow the Communist line was "right wing" and dangerous. Or "fascist".That propaganda, separating the political world into two groups, and ignoring the middle, is still in use by Leftists today.
    Nazi's hated Communists long before the war was over. It is you that is practicing revisionism. Right wingers try to turn anything "evil" into something "leftist". Nothing more than silly propaganda.
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    Unfortunately you miss the whole point. It is small that it won't make that much difference in our budget, but it is huge in the help it provides.
    "In the help it provides"? Is that a euphemism for abortion?
    Planned Parenthood did more than provide abortions - but I guess those that are so narrow minded cannot see the forest for the trees. Abortions will not cease, we will probably have more now that counseling will not be available.
    Perhaps there could be counseling where a profit motive is not involved.

    I don't see that anybody has won here. They didn't reduce the deficit/debt by much by taking away the funding for these programs, but they are making it more difficult for people that are already at a disadvantage. But, hey, we know the Republicans are all about the "people"!
    Yes, each time it's just a few million here or a few billion there but soon it all begins to add up. Each group wants their pet projects to continue but want to cut the pet programs of others. Perhaps some real leadership is required.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    The most radical social conservative elements, really terrorists amongst us, have tried to bring America to its knees. They failed but they were far too close to succeeding.
    Oh, I get it. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is a terrorist. Makes sense.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Quite the opposite. I said "irreversible comatose patients" had nothing to do with what we were discussing, and indeed it doesn't. I never mentioned them because they aren't relevant to the conversation.
    Sure, they're relevant. Because they prove your assumption that all life is equal irrelevant. If all life was equal then the life of comatose patients and regular people would be treated the same - they're not.

    I don't think you are idealistic at all, and its the same with most Leftists. They would rather "the rich" pay the government to look after people rather than volunteering to it themselves.
    I didn't say you - I said conservatives - you're an "Independent". One day liberals are idealistic, the next we're uncaring baby killers. My point is that your comments about "the Left" are irrelevant.

    You were discussing "wholly dependents" in a most negative way. In fact you attempted to justify their death.
    Clearly you projected that. Here is my original comment about the dependent issue:

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    Either there is life or there isn't life.
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    No, unfortunately, that's not how it works. A person in a irreversible coma is some version of "alive" as well. The fact that a fetus is wholly dependent on the mother for life is another reason why your statement is simplistic. Let's also throw in the fact that having a heartbeat does not denote having the mental functions that most us associate with "life". Etc.
    This isn't negative relative to the fetus at all. It's negative relative to you because it makes the definition of life more complicated.

    I'm talking of your mention and supposed support of women's rights. Do you not read your own posts?
    Exactly. Nothing I have or haven't said about Muslim women contradicts my support of women's rights - in fact, they are also based on the right to choose. This, again, has nothing to do with abortion. You're just trying to attack me because your points are failing. If you attack me, at least get it right.

    So there is no difference between life and death? That's quite a bold statement, and one suggestive of deep religiosity.
    I didn't say that. You want me to have said that - too bad life doesn't work that way.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Oh, I get it. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is a terrorist. Makes sense.
    Pay no attention, mac. It was a stupid comment made by a hack. The statement completely lacked logic.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why see his when we are having the conversation? Speak for yourself.
    Because it's ridiculous to have a conversation about something as irrelevant and nonsensical as your assertion that "the Left is responsible for all the inhumanities in the world".

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