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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Sure it's human...but so is someone in an irreversible coma.
    There is a vast difference. The baby will likely go on to live if it is not killed.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    There is a vast difference. The baby will likely go on to live if it is not killed.
    I think everybody agrees with that statement, but you asked me whether or not it was a human, so yeah...

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Remember that time a non-communist country pretty much wiped out an entire race, the enslaved another race and then put yet another race of people in internment camps. What a bitch that place was...oh wait. How about the rest of the inhumanities of the world?
    You were asking about Left Wing atrocities and I gave you an example. But it seems to me, from some of what you said, you're still talking of Leftists. Socialists, right?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think everybody agrees with that statement, but you asked me whether or not it was a human, so yeah...
    The big follow up question is, if it is human...why doesn't it have the same rights as other humans?
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You were asking about Left Wing atrocities and I gave you an example. But it seems to me, from some of what you said, you're still talking of Leftists. Socialists, right?
    I'm talking about the United States that wiped out the Native Americans, enslaved blacks and put Japanese people in internment camps. The point, is that "the Left" is not responsible for all the "inhumanities of the world" as you put it - human beings are. Considering the "left" is pretty much always attacked on here for "trying to save the world" - your comment makes zero sense.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    The big follow up question is, if it is human...why doesn't it have the same rights as other humans?
    Why doesn't an irreversibly comatose human being have the same rights as other human beings?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    No. The comment that I was responding to was this:


    1. My comment explained that a response to stimuli does not denote consciousness. The comment had nothing to do with equating a "permanent condition to a temporary one".
    2. Re: your comment about "the potential for consciousness in the future" - I responded to that in the post that you just quoted. #224
    I was ready to let this by since you seem to be claiming you weren't making the comparison, but then you said this to someone saying the unborn are human:

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Sure it's human...but so is someone in an irreversible coma.
    So my comment stands and you did not address it at all. The key thing about someone in an irreversible coma is that it is irreversible, meaning that person will never be conscious again. You cannot honestly act as though that is the same thing as being a few months away from developing consciousness.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Those are all pretty rational reasons...
    For using a condom maybe, but not for killing another human being.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I was ready to let this by since you seem to be claiming you weren't making the comparison, but then you said this to someone saying the unborn are human:
    In the comment you referred to earlier, I was not making that comparison - you will see that if you read it. You weren't "letting anything by" - you were misreading my comment.

    So my comment stands and you did not address it at all. The key thing about someone in an irreversible coma is that it is irreversible, meaning that person will never be conscious again. You cannot honestly act as though that is the same thing as being a few months away from developing consciousness.
    Again, you're referring to a comment that does not claim that a fetus and an irreversibly comatose person are wholly the same thing. In this new comment that you quoted, I am explaining that a fetus and an irreversibly comatose person are both human, nothing more - this is not a contested statement, so your comments on it are strawmen.

    Let me make this clear so you stop attributing imaginary arguments to me:
    Not once have I claimed that someone in an irreversible coma and a fetus are the same thing. I have claimed that both can be considered human and that both can respond to external stimuli. Nothing more.

    For using a condom maybe, but not for killing another human being.
    If you feel that way, then don't have an abortion.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Why doesn't an irreversibly comatose human being have the same rights as other human beings?
    They absolutely do.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    They absolutely do.
    Great so then we agree that pulling the plug is equally applicable to all human beings including fetuses.

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