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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Those are all pretty rational reasons...
    Rational does not preculde selfish.

    On second thought...how can you say it is rational to kill a child because it might intefere with school? By that reasoning, I should be able to kill the driver in front of me because I'll be late for work? It isn't rational to kill someone out of convenience.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Rational does not preculde selfish.
    Never said it did...

    Edit (in response to your edit):
    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    On second thought...how can you say it is rational to kill a child because it might intefere with school? By that reasoning, I should be able to kill the driver in front of me because I'll be late for work? It isn't rational to kill someone out of convenience.
    Easy - I don't see abortion as "killing a child".
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I have seen the left rationalize every inhumanity known to man.

    That's just who they are.
    Really? Every inhumanity known to man? Please provide examples and statistics showing that the collective "left" supports them.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's not how it works? Really? Of course that's how it works! And what does a person in an irreversible coma have to do with anything? Babies in the womb are not in an "irreversible coma".
    The point is that your use of the term "living thing" is irrelevant. A person in an irreversible coma is a "living thing" and we pull the plug on them all the time.

    Isn't this the direct opposite of the same Leftist argument that says "the rich" should pay for the "wholly dependent" poor? If we want to start getting rid of the wholly dependents, as has been argued by Leftists in the past, then there are many places you can start. How about Veteran's Hospitals? Old folks homes? Will you be waiting for welfare recipients to show up for their food stamps before you apply some retroactive abortion on them?
    Umm...poor people are not connected to the rich by an umbilical cord. Also, I support a "workfare" plan instead of welfare. Anyway, back to the topic.

    Yes, I've heard Michael Moore, Danny Glover and many other leftists speak.
    In conclusion, you are unable to adequately defend your naive assertion that either "there is or isn't life" so you resort talking about Danny Glover and poor people.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Really? Every humanity known to man? Please provide examples and statistics showing that the collective "left" supports them.
    Okay, how about Communism. Can we agree that the Left supported Communism?

    Are you aware of the horrors of Communism?

    It was actively supported by the Left and, oddly enough, despite all the information available, many Leftists still support it. But that's who they are. It's all political and human life means little.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Okay, how about Communism. Can we agree that the Left supported Communism?

    Are you aware of the horrors of Communism?

    It was actively supported by the Left and, oddly enough, despite all the information available, many Leftists still support it. But that's who they are. It's all political and human life means little.
    Remember that time a non-communist country pretty much wiped out an entire race, the enslaved another race and then put yet another race of people in internment camps. What a bitch that place was...oh wait. How about the rest of the inhumanities of the world?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Never said it did...

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    Easy - I don't see abortion as "killing a child".
    Do you at least see it as human?
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Do you at least see it as human?
    Sure it's human...but so is someone in an irreversible coma.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The point is that your use of the term "living thing" is irrelevant. A person in an irreversible coma is a "living thing" and we pull the plug on them all the time.
    Exactly! Your point is that a living thing is irrelevant. My point is that all life is relevant. And important. It's all any of us have. There is the difference.
    Umm...poor people are not connected to the rich by an umbilical cord. Also, I support a "workfare" plan instead of welfare. Anyway, back to the topic.
    You were talking about ""wholly dependent" and I mentioned a few of those who were wholly dependent. Umbilical cords were not mentioned. And whether or not you support "workfare" or not does not mean we have any fewer wholly dependent people. They will always be with us.

    Nor does your singular opinion effect the greater good among any social community. It's what a group of people stand for that's important and how they view justice and human rights. Among those would be the rights of those not yet born but still in a mother's womb. If we don't respect those rights, why respect the rights of anyone?

    We, as human beings, can rationalize slavery, the killing of Gays, killing those of a different tribe or culture, the stoning of women, and the killing of babies in the womb. Or a fetus if you prefer. We've done it all.

    You've already made it clear you do not support the weakest among us now, now it is just trying to discover where it might all end.

    In conclusion, you are unable to adequately defend your naive assertion that either "there is or isn't life" so you resort talking about Danny Glover and poor people.
    I mentioned Danny Glover but did not talk about him. And it was you who first mentioned the "wholly dependent" as though they were a pox on humanity.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Exactly! Your point is that a living thing is irrelevant. My point is that all life is relevant. And important. It's all any of us have. There is the difference.
    No. My point is that your use of the term living thing is irrelevant. All living things are relevant in some way... Unfortunately, not all types of "life" is equal which is why "living things" like irreversibly comatose patients get the plug pulled on them.

    You were talking about ""wholly dependent" and I mentioned a few of those who were wholly dependent. Umbilical cords were not mentioned. And whether or not you support "workfare" or not does not mean we have any fewer wholly dependent people. They will always be with us.
    Poor people and old people in diapers are not "wholly dependent" on anyone. A fetus is wholly dependent on its mother - it is a part of the mother (hence the umbilical cord).

    Nor does your singular opinion effect the greater good among any social community. It's what a group of people stand for that's important and how they view justice and human rights. Among those would be the rights of those not yet born but still in a mother's womb. If we don't respect those rights, why respect the rights of anyone?
    I agree. I'm standing for the rights of women to be free from unscientific religious judgment.

    We, as human beings, can rationalize slavery, the killing of Gays, killing those of a different tribe or culture, the stoning of women, and the killing of babies in the womb. Or a fetus if you prefer. We've done it all.
    Rational =/= rationalization.


    You've already made it clear you do not support the weakest among us now, now it is just trying to discover where it might all end.

    I mentioned Danny Glover but did not talk about him. And it was you who first mentioned the "wholly dependent" as though they were a pox on humanity.
    Umm...I mentioned "wholly dependent" in order to explain to you why saying "either it's life or it isn't" is nonsensical - it had nothing to do , as you know, with describing fetuses as a "pox on humanity". You get lost too easily in conversations...

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