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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I understand that concern, but since abortion is usually an elective proceedure, I do not want federal funds going towards it. In these cases, I support private charities giving assistance... and strongly support federal funding of birth control.
    Unfortunately, Reps/cons have decided to take away funding for Planned Parenthood, one of the strongest organizations providing information and help to prevent unwanted pregnancies. They are against abortions, so they try to close down an organization that is helping to reduce them, go figure.



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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why does a fetus have to e conscious? That it is a human being is clear enough but whether it is conscious or unconscious does not seem to be relevant.
    Consciousness denotes personhood and full awareness of pain.

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    So we can murder people when they are unconscious? That idea has been around for a while and perhaps it's making a resurgence.

    How about when they're sleeping?
    1. You used murder improperly. Look it up and get educated. Otherwise, you look uneducated.
    2. Families and doctors pull the plug on irreversibly comatose patients all of the time.
    3. A sleeping person is...a person. A fetus is not.

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    When you support late term abortion, how late would that be?
    Whenever.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Unfortunately, Reps/cons have decided to take away funding for Planned Parenthood, one of the strongest organizations providing information and help to prevent unwanted pregnancies. They are against abortions, so they try to close down an organization that is helping to reduce them, go figure.
    planned parenthood gets what % of the budget? oh we saved a whole nickel there!

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway


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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Consciousness denotes personhood and full awareness of pain.
    As you probably know, it has already been proven that babies in the womb feel pain, and discomfort.


    1. You used murder improperly. Look it up and get educated. Otherwise, you look uneducated.
    My understanding of murder is that it is the deliberate taking of another person's life. What's your definition?

    2. Families and doctors pull the plug on irreversibly comatose patients all of the time.
    Yes, on those with no chance of survival and no hope of ever regaining consciousness. Hoowever that has nothing to do with babies in the womb who have every chance of survival and a healthy life. It is like murdering someone who falls asleep in the hospital, confusing their temporary condition with their abulity to improve their situation.

    3. A sleeping person is...a person. A fetus is not.
    A fetus is a living human being. I understand the Left has a history of deciding who are 'persons' and who are 'un-persons' but that should be stopped. Having laymen and politicians decide when life is viable or not, and who should live or die, is not a good thing.


    Whenever.
    Exactly. At one time it was six weeks, now it had grown until "whenever". Soon it will grow some more and the Left will be deciding who can contribute most to society and who will be a drain on the social programs they keep demanding. When the entitlements the Left demands become threatened the Left will turn on whoever it takes. Right now it is babies and "the rich". Soon it will be other s who are helpless and infirm.

    The history of these attitudes has been well documented.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    As you probably know, it has already been proven that babies in the womb feel pain, and discomfort.
    A fetus is generally assumed to be able to feel pain between 20-24 weeks - 98.7% of abortions are already performed by then so it's a non-issue.
    Abortion Surveillance --- United States, 2007

    My understanding of murder is that it is the deliberate taking of another person's life. What's your definition?
    Murder is, by all accounts, "The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice."
    murder: West's Encyclopedia of American Law (Full Article) from Answers.com

    Abortion is neither unlawful nor based in malice and whether or not it is "taking a person's life" is arguable at best.

    Yes, on those with no chance of survival and no hope of ever regaining consciousness. Hoowever that has nothing to do with babies in the womb who have every chance of survival and a healthy life. It is like murdering someone who falls asleep in the hospital, confusing their temporary condition with their abulity to improve their situation.
    It's actually not like murdering someone asleep at all because that person has already developed consciousness. A fetus has the potential to develop consciousness, but it has not yet developed it. An embryo also has the potential to develop consciousness and yet it is certainly not a human being.

    A fetus is a living human being. I understand the Left has a history of deciding who are 'persons' and who are 'un-persons' but that should be stopped.
    If you think it should be stopped great, I don't. A fetus is not a person.

    Having laymen and politicians decide when life is viable or not, and who should live or die, is not a good thing.
    That's exactly what you're doing.

    Exactly. At one time it was six weeks, now it had grown until "whenever". Soon it will grow some more and the Left will be deciding who can contribute most to society and who will be a drain on the social programs they keep demanding. When the entitlements the Left demands become threatened
    Stop being dramatic. The left is generally anti-war and anti-death penalty because it against the taking of obviously human life. Please.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Brain dead people also have physical responses to stimuli (like "dodging a fork") - this does not prove consciousness. Nothing about abortion is "killing children" unless the fetus is a conscious human being - therefore, your comment about "moreso than you believe" makes no sense unless you have scientific proof otherwise and you don't.
    OK playdrive, I got some complicated scientific facts for you so pay close attention. Brain dead people = dead. Unborn children = not dead. Hope I didn't confuse you too much.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You might want to try to look at the big picture, here. Actions have consequences, consequences that affect more than just the individual. More unwanted children means more possible abuse... or more need for social services... or more individuals with monetary issues... or more issues with health care, etc... This is not just an issue of what one's parents can manage. If one's parents cannot manage, which does occur, society as a whole is impacted, both in local and global ways. It is far more complex than a simple answer. Those who want to outlaw abortion need to present some sort of plan for managing the amount of unwanted children that will then be presented. Without a plan addressing that issue, those who want abortion ended are not really addressing the problem at all. All they are doing is trying to legislate their own morality, having zero consideration on the global impact.

    So, to answer your question, precisely, give us your SPECIFIC plan of how society should then deal with all the unwanted children that a policy of no abortions will yeild.
    So, your “far more complex than a simple answer” is a simple solution of shredding into bloody pieces of a tiny helpless human being in the womb and sucking them out to be tossed into the biohazard bin without blinking an eye?

    If your appeal to “unwanted children” diatribe is a logical argument to addressing the complex social problem, then shouldn’t we simply allow women such as Susan Smith or Andrea Yates to drown their “unwanted children” with impunity until society can "present some sort of plan for managing the amount of unwanted children"?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    OK playdrive, I got some complicated scientific facts for you so pay close attention. Brain dead people = dead. Unborn children = not dead. Hope I didn't confuse you too much.
    Okay, DOL, maybe you should have read my next comment where I corrected my mistake after apdst pointed it out. Hope I didn't force you to read too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Oops, my mistake. I meant some people in a persistent vegetative state, who also lack consciousness, respond to external stimuli.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh lawd, anyone that doesn't want their tax money wasted on bull****, like abortions, is now a terrorist.
    I like it. Essentially the terrorist label is becoming meaningless due to our overuse of it. We call all sorts of people "terrorists" these days and all sorts of things WMDs. Let's expand it and maybe we'll start to understand the absurd level we've taken all this fear mongering to.
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