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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where did I question the, "alive-ness", of a fetus at any given stage of development? Show me where I said that and I will post a vid of a fetus, "consciously", dodging the fork that an abortion doctor was trying to stick into it's brain.
    Brain dead people also have physical responses to stimuli (like "dodging a fork") - this does not prove consciousness. Nothing about abortion is "killing children" unless the fetus is a conscious human being - therefore, your comment about "moreso than you believe" makes no sense unless you have scientific proof otherwise and you don't.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Brain dead people also have physical responses to stimuli (like "dodging a fork") - this does not prove consciousness.
    No they don't. That's why the plug is pulled, when a brain dead person doesn't respond to stimuli.

    Nothing about abortion is "killing children" unless the fetus is a conscious human being - therefore, your comment about "moreso than you believe" makes no sense unless you have scientific proof otherwise and you don't.
    I dunno, looks like a baby to me...just my opinion, I reckon.

    http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...158dB2ge0UbHkQ

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No they don't. That's why the plug is pulled, when a brain dead person doesn't respond to stimuli.
    Oops, my mistake. I meant some people in a persistent vegetative state, who also lack consciousness, respond to external stimuli.

    I dunno, looks like a baby to me...just my opinion, I reckon.

    http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...158dB2ge0UbHkQ
    I see you're going for the emotional pull. Unfortunately, emotion doesn't trump reason. 1) Looking and being are different. 2) I'm pretty sure that's a late term abortion which I support much less than I do early term abortions.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Oops, my mistake. I meant some people in a persistent vegetative state, who also lack consciousness, respond to external stimuli.



    I see you're going for the emotional pull. Unfortunately, emotion doesn't trump reason. 1) Looking and being are different. 2) I'm pretty sure that's a late term abortion which I support much less than I do early term abortions.
    Oh, you want eleven weeks?

    http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Kl6bVzMI75dN_s

    Still looks like a baby, to me.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Oh, you want eleven weeks?

    http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Kl6bVzMI75dN_s

    Still looks like a baby, to me.
    What part of "prove that it has consciousness" do you not understand?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Please do not make this personal or I will not keep speaking with you. Also you know nothing about me so I suggest you not pop off at the damn mouth about stuff you are clueless about. Thanks
    Actually, in claiming that people would allow babies to starve, you said a great deal about yourself,

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What part of "prove that it has consciousness" do you not understand?
    So you're ok with abortion right up to birth?
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Show me irrefutable scientific proof that a fetus is a conscious human being and you'll have a point. Until then, that claim sounds and is ridiculous.
    Why does a fetus have to e conscious? That it is a human being is clear enough but whether it is conscious or unconscious does not seem to be relevant.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Brain dead people also have physical responses to stimuli (like "dodging a fork") - this does not prove consciousness. Nothing about abortion is "killing children" unless the fetus is a conscious human being - therefore, your comment about "moreso than you believe" makes no sense unless you have scientific proof otherwise and you don't.
    So we can murder people when they are unconscious? That idea has been around for a while and perhaps it's making a resurgence.

    How about when they're sleeping?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservativesí Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I see you're going for the emotional pull. Unfortunately, emotion doesn't trump reason. 1) Looking and being are different. 2) I'm pretty sure that's a late term abortion which I support much less than I do early term abortions.
    When you support late term abortion, how late would that be?

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