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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Here's an article from LifeNews which outlines the figures as indicated in Demon of Light's post above. But even those figures are misleading.

    From Planned Parenthood's 2008-2009 Annual Report, it listed relatively the same percentiles of services rendered for that reporting period as those listed in the briefing sheet "summary report" Demon links to above.

    From the 2008-2009 report:

    For the 3 million patients our doctors and nurses saw, we provided contraception (36%), testing and treatment for sexually transmitted infections (31%), cancer screening and prevention (17%) and abortion services (3%). In all, we helped prevent roughtly 621,000 unintended pregnancies.
    If you do the math, the figures listed above represent only 87% of the total services Planned Parenthood performed. But if you look at the 2009 summary report Demon linked to, specifically on page, you'll find the complete list of services rendered by Planned Parenthood by the numbers (summarized):

    Contraception - 4,009,549 (35%)

    STI/STD Testing/Treatment - 3,955,9163 (35%)

    Cancer Screening/Prevention - 1,830,811 (16%)

    Other Women's Health Services - 1,178,369 (10%)

    Abortion Services - 332,278 (3%)

    Other Services - 76,977 (1%)

    Total Services: 11,383,900

    Notice not only is the percentiles alittle off for contraception (+1%), but are also off for STI/STD testing (-4%). Moreover, "Other Women's Health Services" and "Other Services" aren't even listed among the figures mentioned in the summary statement from the annual report nor are they mentioned in the LifeNews article, but they are mentioned in the summary report which clearly provides the more accurate picture of Planned Parenthood's activies for 2008-2009. Therefore, in the grand scheme of things 332,278 abortions is a relatively low number for the 11,051,622 other services Planned Parenthood performed.

    Just trying to keep things honest and in their proper perspective.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And none of this has anything to do with what was being discussed. Your attempt at diverting has been stopped.



    You wanted me to. Of course, since that's not my position, I didn't. I know you like to argue positions that other do not acutally have, but try to stick to the position being presented.



    Correct. YOU made the appeal to emotion.



    Really? Post-quote where I said those things.



    Right... as I said, nothing more than an appeal to emotion. Point is irrelevant.



    If you considered it rationally, you might consider the repurcussions of the decision to end abortion. And yes, since you want it ended, it is up to you to define how it is then dealt with. I have no vested interest in doing so... I'm happy the way things are. But tell us DoL... what do YOU think would happen if abortion was suddenly ended?



    Your "belief" is trumped by the reality of legality. Nothing you can do to alter that, currently. Oh, and if you are talking about "natural rights", "natural irghts" don't exist.



    Your analogy is faulty since there is death going on with both sides of a war. And I get to demand anything I want. You can refuse, but this is a negotiation. If you want abortion on demand ended, and you want my support, you tell me what your plan is to manage the added children into the child care system. That is the sticking point to many of us who could be on the fence of this issue. See, I have no problem, morally, with abortion. I do have a problem, morally, with a childcare and educational system, already taxed, receiving an influx of new numbers, many of which will be unwanted. You have a plan, and I will consider it. I'm not changing my mind... nor are most people without a reason and ideas to deal with the new situation. This is the problem with most pro-lifers. You care about the unborn, but stop caring once they are born. You want this? Your responsibility to define it.



    No, your dishonesty is fairly apparent. You fail to understand that much of that funding assists lower income folks, who, without that funding, might be unable to obtain ANY services. That is why your diversion was irrelevant... and nothing but a diversion.

    Further, the numbers Chappy and I provided are accurate. Plenty of sources show that. So, no. The dishonesty is all yours.
    Demon is correct in that it has everything to do with it. The big question is: what services does planned parenthood offer that a patient can't get through medicare, medicaid, or Obamacare, aside from abortions?

    IMO, we're getting taxed to pay for four different programs that all do the same thing and, that's bull****.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Here's an article from LifeNews which outlines the figures as indicated in Demon of Light's post above. But even those figures are misleading.

    From Planned Parenthood's 2008-2009 Annual Report, it listed relatively the same percentiles of services rendered for that reporting period as those listed in the briefing sheet "summary report" Demon links to above.

    From the 2008-2009 report:



    If you do the math, the figures listed above represent only 87% of the total services Planned Parenthood performed. But if you look at the 2009 summary report Demon linked to, specifically on page, you'll find the complete list of services rendered by Planned Parenthood by the numbers (summarized):

    Contraception - 4,009,549 (35%)

    STI/STD Testing/Treatment - 3,955,9163 (35%)

    Cancer Screening/Prevention - 1,830,811 (16%)

    Other Women's Health Services - 1,178,369 (10%)

    Abortion Services - 332,278 (3%)

    Other Services - 76,977 (1%)

    Total Services: 11,383,900


    Notice not only is the percentiles alittle off for contraception (+1%), but are also off for STI/STD testing (-4%). Moreover, "Other Women's Health Services" and "Other Services" aren't even listed among the figures mentioned in the summary statement from the annual report nor are they mentioned in the LifeNews article, but they are mentioned in the summary report which clearly provides the more accurate picture of Planned Parenthood's activies for 2008-2009. Therefore, in the grand scheme of things 332,278 abortions is a relatively low number for the 11,051,622 other services Planned Parenthood performed.

    Just trying to keep things honest and in their proper perspective.
    How many state funded offer those same services? Goddamn! How much taxes do we really have to ****ting up to pay for these mother****ing deadbeats?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    First and second term fetuses are not viable and therefore not alive. You can't 'kill' something that is not alive.
    That's some fancy tap dancing there. How do you come up with viability = alve?

    Do you deny that the baby grows from the size of a pinhead as an egg at the conception to 12"-14" and 1 to 2 lbs by the end of the second term?

    Your hyper-partisan Christian talking points speak is a major fail.
    There is nothing partisan or christian about protecting children. If you want to put the democrats on the side of killing childern, then think aobut the political loss that would lead to?
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    There is nothing partisan or christian about protecting children. If you want to put the democrats on the side of killing childern, then think aobut the political loss that would lead to?
    I don't think "killing children" is on the democratic platform.

    Raise taxes, provide universal healthcare, kill children. Yep that sounds about right.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's because our penal system isn't tough enough. Our justice system allows too many career criminals live and not enough of them are put to death.
    Something we can agree on in this thread
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't think "killing children" is on the democratic platform.

    Raise taxes, provide universal healthcare, kill children. Yep that sounds about right.
    More so than what you want to believe.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So it's your contentiopn if babies aren't aborted they will starve?

    You don't know that there are people waiting to adopt babies? You don't believe people would feed starving babies, or children.

    Don't judge other people by your own behavior, Kali. They are much kinder than yourself and the company you must keep.
    Please do not make this personal or I will not keep speaking with you. Also you know nothing about me so I suggest you not pop off at the damn mouth about stuff you are clueless about. Thanks
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More so than what you want to believe.
    Show me irrefutable scientific proof that a fetus is a conscious human being and you'll have a point. Until then, that claim sounds and is ridiculous.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Show me irrefutable scientific proof that a fetus is a conscious human being and you'll have a point. Until then, that claim sounds and is ridiculous.
    Where did I question the, "alive-ness", of a fetus at any given stage of development? Show me where I said that and I will post a vid of a fetus, "consciously", dodging the fork that an abortion doctor was trying to stick into it's brain.

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