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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Ok, so someone who opposes the DP and works to have it abolished are also attempting to "legislate" their own morality, right? I ask that, because I saw someone here saying that pro-lifers are wanting to legislate morality like it's a bad thing.
    Yes. I'm not sure what your point is.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Abortion being legal does not contradict any other law. Not currently. And I attack the use of the word because it is an appeal to emotion logical fallacy... and I will continue to do so. The word "killing" is accurate.
    I'm curious, are you as similarly hard on pro-choicers when they use appeals to emotion?
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Did the OP drop a stink bomb and run?

    What happened to the days when you stuck around to talk about and defend your original post?

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm curious, are you as similarly hard on pro-choicers when they use appeals to emotion?
    I'm curious. Why is it you always ask me a form of this particular question? How did I deal with the OP in this thread?

    Edit: If I am in an abortion thread, and a pro-choicer calls a fetus a parasite, I go after them too. Please stop questioning this, X.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    I have big problem with social darwinism. We do not live in a vacuum. The affects of individuals have impacts on the entirety of society. When it comes right down to it, that is the biggest problem with your "lean".
    My lean doesn't imply we do.

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    *sigh* Even though I don't enjoy discussing the topic I feel I need to post a response.

    A few things to point out on both sides. First off, the obligatory denouncement of the statement that those trying to cut PP funding are terrorists. It's just ridiculous to the extreme.

    Secondly, the argument that funding PP means funding abortion doesn't hold water. You can argue that our tax dollars are going to an organization that provides abortions. That's a valid argument. However, our tax dollars do not "fund abortions." That's a massive oversimplification.

    As is the "abortion is murder" argument. It holds just as much weight as arguments saying that soldiers are murderers. It's an appeal to emotion and not a valid argument.

    As to the topic at hand, I feel that people need to stop implying that cutting funding to Planned Parenthood would reduce abortion numbers. Speaking as someone who is quite familiar with their operations, shutting them down would be no guarantee of reducing abortions. It might, it might not, we simply don't know.

    Something that is clear, however, is that shutting down PP would increase unwanted pregnancies. And while abortion is still legal, an increase in unwanted pregnancies has a direct and obvious tie to an increase in abortions.

    As a note, I personally do not support abortion. I feel there are much better ways of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy, adoption for example.

    However, I believe there are two major issues with trying to de-fund Planned Parenthood which mesh with my disagreement with abortions.

    1. If the attempt is to outright outlaw abortion, then attempt to outlaw abortion. Stop with the pathetic attempts at working around the legal system.

    2. More importantly, abortion has been going on since ancient times. We're talking before Rome. It happens. The only way to truly stop it from happening is contraception. Planned Parenthood, more than any other organization in the U.S., provides not only contraception to those who are most unable to acquire it, but also works with local communities in properly teaching the correct use of said contraception. Cutting off funding from Planned Parenthood would set your cause back in many, many ways. It's short sighted and foolish. It relies on assumptions about the world which simply aren't true.

    People are always going to ****. Period. Planned Parenthood helps make doing so safer.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    My lean doesn't imply we do.
    How many of your lean respond to situations such as we are discussing does. Look at how you have responded to the issue, here. Very "vacuum-like". You even said that your lean sort dictates that you do nothing. Problem is lack of action is action. No getting around it, Henrin. Do something or not do something. Others are affected. Ending abortion will impact others... and you. Like it or not. Probably a good idea to be proactive and have a plan to deal with those repurcussions.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I'm curious. Why is it you always ask me a form of this particular question? How did I deal with the OP in this thread?

    Edit: If I am in an abortion thread, and a pro-choicer calls a fetus a parasite, I go after them too. Please stop questioning this, X.
    Ok, CC, I will. My apologies.
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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

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    Re: Late Clash on Abortion Shows Conservatives’ Sway

    Since there is focus on definitions in this thread, let's start there.

    The OP doesn't say that all people opposed to abortion are terrorists. It doesn't say that all people opposed to federal funding for abortions are terrorists. Read it!

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    The most radical social conservative elements, really terrorists amongst us, have tried to bring America to its knees. They failed but they were far too close to succeeding.
    The people who intimidate and murder doctors, who intimidate patients, who intimidate landlords and neighbors and whole communities, who blow up clinics are terrorists.

    This is terrorism.

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    And this is terrorism.

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    Radical social conservative political leaders almost shutdown the government over funds paid to Planned Parenthood for womens health services rendered, funds which by law cannot be used for abortion. Like all radicals, their cause is more important than anything else even the nation itself.

    Appeals to emotion? Perhaps. For sure, this is my honest interpretation of events.
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