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Prosser gains 7,500 votes in Waukesha County

It seems her mistake was not "saving" it to the data she was sending AP. They were never lost or suddenly found. There was also 14,000 not 7500unreported.
Wis. county corrects Supreme Court race vote count to give incumbent Prosser 7,500-vote edge - 4/7/2011 8:32:32 PM | Newser
Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus said more than 14,000 votes weren't reported to The Associated Press on Tuesday due to "human error." Nickolaus previously worked for a GOP caucus that was under the control of Justice David Prosser, who was speaker of the Assembly at the time and who now stands to benefit from the clerk's error.
"This is not a case of extra votes or extra ballots being found," Nickolaus said. "This is human error, which I apologize for."
Nickolaus said the most significant error occurred when she entered totals from the city of Brookfield, a suburb of Milwaukee, but they were not saved.

And there's a big question.

Who cares if the correct vote totals were not reported to the AP the first time out? The AP has no juridiction of any sort. The report that matters goes to the Secretary of State, in a formal certifying letter.
 
and neither is the subject of this thread but you managed to obsessively work both in just the same.

Actually, election fraud IS the topic of this thread, and as such, the successful attempt by Franken to steal his election and the unsuccessful attempt by Gore to steal Bush's election are both valid sub-topics for this thread. We could also discuss the political antics of Acorn and other community organizers. We could be following the tax payer dollars that flow from the producers through the politicians to the public employee, some of which is siphoned right off the top into the hands of the union leadership which redirects a percentage directly back to the politicians agreeing to the outlandish wages.

This thread is about voter fraud, and that fraud leads to discussions of corruption, too. At present it would be premature to discuss the role of the unions in this particular election, this thread should still be focused on voter fraud.

The presentation of proper analogy is suitable in all threads.
 
Exaggerate much? The woman failed to send all the preliminary results to the Associated Press.

That wasn't an exageration, oh no. They truly beleive that the successful election of Prosser is a monumental screw-up in their efforts to override the will of the people to restore sanity to Wisconsin's governance. Note that when their political efforts failed they immediately turned to corrupting the courts to bypass the people's expressed will.

What is happening in Wisconsin is a microcosm of what America can expect from it's internal enemies in the next election cycle and the one's following.
 
yup. just as I feared. You truly do not comprehend the similarity. Oh well.

Mayor Snorkum says that you are wrong and the similarities are understood perfectly. Admitting those similarities is tantamount to confessing defeat, so they're going to play dumb, instead.
 
Actually, election fraud IS the topic of this thread, and as such, the successful attempt by Franken to steal his election and the unsuccessful attempt by Gore to steal Bush's election are both valid sub-topics for this thread. We could also discuss the political antics of Acorn and other community organizers. We could be following the tax payer dollars that flow from the producers through the politicians to the public employee, some of which is siphoned right off the top into the hands of the union leadership which redirects a percentage directly back to the politicians agreeing to the outlandish wages.

This thread is about voter fraud, and that fraud leads to discussions of corruption, too. At present it would be premature to discuss the role of the unions in this particular election, this thread should still be focused on voter fraud.

The presentation of proper analogy is suitable in all threads.

Your political hackery is showing. Yes, Bush won his election fair and square. So did Franken. And it looks like Prosser won his fair and square too. The problem with you is pretty much the same as the problem with the political hacks on the Liberal side of the aisle. Your side wins? It's fair. Other guys win? I see nothing but whining. You are not any different than the Liberal hacks in that regard. A hack is a hack is a hack. Only the stripes are different.
 
Based on the numbers i've seen, as of today and with the canvassing currently taking place in WI, Prosser picked up enough votes to take the lead from Kloppenburg even without this extra 7500 votes being placed in his column.

A bunch of the counties made errors in their vote totals (as always happens) they provided to the AP. Obviously none as big as forgetting a city, but still. It is very common. I think the real problem is Klopenburg declaring victory just 200 unofficial votes up. What a maroon.


Congressmen Tom Campbell, CA, declared victory in his Senate primary contest against Bruce Herschensohn when only 3% of the precincts were in and Campbell was trailing. Even the media commentators picked up on that one. Campbell's seizure of the concession initiative was later found to be premature and Herschensohn was declared the California GOP's nominee. He later lost in the general election because, of course, of sleazy tactics by the Boxer campaign on the eve of the election.

Oh, wait, that was an analogous case and the Mayor is not certain some people here will understand it's purpose. Too many people will now proceed to post and complain that this forum should not be used for off-topic practice in the spelling of the name "Herchensohn".
 
Your political hackery is showing. Yes, Bush won his election fair and square. So did Franken. And it looks like Prosser won his fair and square too. The problem with you is pretty much the same as the problem with the political hacks on the Liberal side of the aisle. Your side wins? It's fair. Other guys win? I see nothing but whining. You are not any different than the Liberal hacks in that regard. A hack is a hack is a hack. Only the stripes are different.

No.

YOUR political hackery is showing. Franken did not win the election. That's why he needed more votes than voters from some precincts.
 
No.

YOUR political hackery is showing. Franken did not win the election. That's why he needed more votes than voters from some precincts.

Got some proof of that? If so, then you know more than Tim Pawlenty, who certified that election. And when I say proof, I mean hard evidence, not some opinion piece from myguylostsoiamwhining.com.
 
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No.

YOUR political hackery is showing. Franken did not win the election. That's why he needed more votes than voters from some precincts.

Nope, Danarhea is quite correct in his posting. But some are so drenched in partisan blinding they can never truly see the light.
 
Not one of votes was "tainted". The error was clerical in nature, and there's no indication that any ballot was defaced in any way.
That her performance in that position should be reviewed goes without saying. To blindly assume she should be sacked after catching the error is unwarranted.
She should be sacked for her egregious failure to follow established cyber-security practices with sensitive data. But as an elected official I am not sure if that is an option.
 
Got some proof of that? If so, then you know more than Tim Pawlenty, who certified that election. And when I say proof, I mean hard evidence, not some opinion piece from myguylostsoiamwhining.com.

Check the car trunk. Hahahahah.
 
Understanding that the source will be immediately dismissed, Maddow reported that this is far from the first time Nicklaus has been involved in election "irregularities".

She's received immunity in one case, worked for Prosser personally, and was responsible for TWO prior cases in which a Republican had apparently lost.

Until she caught her mistake. Acknowledged her "human error".

And discovered unreported votes that delivered victory from the jaws of defeat.

I know, I know, Maddow.

But crap, six or seven PRIOR cases of election irregularities and queer errors?

I'd be sounding the BS alarm if it was a Democrat.

Its just too much to let lie.

If the parties had been reversed in this people would already be on Koch sponsored busses, and every conservative memeherd would be posting nonstop.

I'm not even making any claims as to the validity of the outcome.

But if I caught someone in the vicinity of a bunch of burglarized cars a THIRD time, with a crowbar and a slim jim, I'd expect them to be investigated regardless of whether they had stereos or cds in their possession, ya know?
 
Even Blumenthal of HuffPo says everything seems kosher and these types of errros are common in the unofficial results provided to the media.

Wisconsin Election Bombshell: How Plausible?

So just how common is this the sort of error that Nickolaus claims she made on election night? Michael McDonald, a George Mason University professor who studies voter turnout and closely monitors election results, said they are "not uncommon ... we see these sorts of errors happen all the time."
 
Wow, this is terrible news. Perhaps an entire Democratic town was also missed last night...


That would only occur if we had a Democratic County Clerk doing the counting with a checkered past!
 
Understanding that the source will be immediately dismissed, Maddow reported that this is far from the first time Nicklaus has been involved in election "irregularities".

She's received immunity in one case, worked for Prosser personally, and was responsible for TWO prior cases in which a Republican had apparently lost.

Until she caught her mistake. Acknowledged her "human error".

And discovered unreported votes that delivered victory from the jaws of defeat.

I know, I know, Maddow.

But crap, six or seven PRIOR cases of election irregularities and queer errors?

I'd be sounding the BS alarm if it was a Democrat.

Its just too much to let lie.

If the parties had been reversed in this people would already be on Koch sponsored busses, and every conservative memeherd would be posting nonstop.

I'm not even making any claims as to the validity of the outcome.

But if I caught someone in the vicinity of a bunch of burglarized cars a THIRD time, with a crowbar and a slim jim, I'd expect them to be investigated regardless of whether they had stereos or cds in their possession, ya know?

Will she be investigated, or will this be another Bush-type victory?
 
Even Blumenthal of HuffPo says everything seems kosher and these types of errros are common in the unofficial results provided to the media.

Wisconsin Election Bombshell: How Plausible?

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Recent history bears him out:

•In the 1988 Democratic primary in Delaware, a keypunch error gave Samuel Beard 2,800 votes more than he received in a race against incumbent Lt. Gov. S.B. Woo. Although Beard had claimed victory, the error was not discovered until two days after the primary and reversed its result, putting Woo ahead by just 71 votes.
•The initial count in New York's 2001 Democratic mayoral primary gave Mark Green a roughly 30,000-vote lead over Fernando Ferrar, but an "official machine count" conducted a week later reduced that margin by 18,029 votes after election officials discovered 42,000 votes that had been counted twice. The final official count narrowed Green's margin to just 15,981 votes.
•Unofficial returns in the 2002 Alabama governor's race showed incumbent Democrat Don Siegelman narrowly defeating Republican challenger Bob Riley. But a late-night recount conducted by Republican officials in Baldwin County revealed what they described as a "computer glitch" that gave Riley a statewide lead of 3,195 votes. Although Democrats suspected foul play -- the recount had occurred after Democratic party observers had gone home for the night -- Siegelman ultimately dropped efforts to obtain a statewide recount.
•Folllowing New York's 2008 presidential primary, a New York Times review found "about 80 election districts among the city's 6,106 where Mr. Obama supposedly did not receive even one vote, including cases where he ran a respectable race in a nearby district." A formal review later found hundreds of small anomalies in vote reporting in individual districts. The Times reported election lawyers representing both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton agreeing that it is "not uncommon" to see such mistakes "made by weary inspectors rushing on election night to transcribe columns of numbers."
 
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Well, maybe another County Clerk (Democrat) in another county will find some more votes for the Democrat - then let's see how well that goes! Let's see if the Reps will just accept it as a common error! LOL!
 
Check the car trunk. Hahahahah.

You see, THAT's the problem. When Dino Rossi lost in Washington, Republicans screamed foul over the votes that suddenly showed up at the last minute. But when the shoe is on the other foot in Wisconsin, it's all good. Same with Democrats who defended the vote in Washington, but attack Prosser now.

Ronald Reagan said:
Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."

How right he was.
 
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Well, maybe another County Clerk (Democrat) in another county will find some more votes for the Democrat - then let's see how well that goes! Let's see if the Reps will just accept it as a common error! LOL!

That's kind of the whole point of the canvas - to ensure all the numbers match up and all votes have been included in the tabulations. Many counties had to adjust their inital vote totals provided to the media. Klopp gained in some counties, Prosser in others. Of course, none of the adjustments were as big as 14000 votes, but still...
 
That's kind of the whole point of the canvas - to ensure all the numbers match up and all votes have been included in the tabulations. Many counties had to adjust their inital vote totals provided to the media. Klopp gained in some counties, Prosser in others. Of course, none of the adjustments were as big as 14000 votes, but still...


Considering the county clerk's previous "mistakes" - she shouldn't have even been any where close to the counting. I sure hope a recount is in the offing - at least just to make sure she isn't just trying something funny.
 
I'm sorry but this seem fishy to me and it raise more questions than answers. Just because a democrat says no funny business happened doesn't mean she not incompetent for what she did. I'd also say we need to do a investigation in too this and I would say the same thing if this were the democrat in this particular race that had magical found 14,000 more unreported votes.

The were not "magically" found, they were found during canvassing as many votes and errors are. 24 were found here. Nothing fishy going on.
Now if the 14000 votes hadn't turned up, an investigation by Prosser should have been in order because of such a low turn out.

Kloppenburg adds 24 votes in Vernon County canvassing

VIROQUA -- JoAnne Kloppenburg's vote total increased by 24 after completion of Vernon County's official canvass of votes from the spring general election, Thursday.
Vernon County Clerk Ron Hoff said that a number was been written down incorrectly on a tally sheet on election night, Tuesday, April 5. The canvass showed Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice candidate Kloppenburg picked up 24 votes in Vernon County. Of those, 23 came from an incorrect tally mark and one came from an absentee ballot from overseas.
Kloppenburg defeated incumbent Justice David Prosser Jr., 4,331-3,578 in Vernon County.
Statewide, out of about 1.5 million votes cast, Kloppenburg held a margin of 204 votes before canvassing began, Thursday.
Hoff is a Republican from Coon Valley.
 
Considering the county clerk's previous "mistakes" - she shouldn't have even been any where close to the counting. I sure hope a recount is in the offing - at least just to make sure she isn't just trying something funny.

I have a feeling if we loked at the history of all county clerks (rep and dem) we'd find many similar histories. As we learned from Hilary and Obama, such mistakes are not at all uncommon.
 
Considering the county clerk's previous "mistakes" - she shouldn't have even been any where close to the counting. I sure hope a recount is in the offing - at least just to make sure she isn't just trying something funny.

That's what I'm saying.

I hate all the unanswered questions that surround so many of the coincidences that always seem to be pivotal to the course of recent history.

Too many turning points in recent history revolve around some suspiciously convenient coincidence. And far too often my suspicions are never even addressed, much less put to rest. And I'm way more reasonable in this regard, than most.

Because I assume that if there is anything that might be gained by lying about an issue, then someone might be lying about it. ALL situations, all the time.

But that's just me. :2wave:
 
The word you didn't learn in high school English is "analogy".

Look it up.



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An analogy of comparing apples to cinderblocks is a ridiculous one. That is what you did.

Mertex is spot on with her reasoning on this. Given the history of the clerk involved, (thank to Whatif for the Maddow info) she should have been nowhere near any position of trust or authority. But because she was, this result will be tainted forever and under a dark cloud of suspicion from this point forward.
 
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