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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No he didn't. Congress did when they abdicated their Constitutional responsibility by passing the War Powers Act. But, since Obama did go to war under that illegal law, that kind of makes him an accessory, don't you think?
    No, I don't think so. Mainly, because Congress didn't pass an illegal law. It's no more illegal for Congress to pass the War Powers Act than it is for Congress to pass a declaration of war.

    Prior to WPA, there were no restrictions on the president to deploy combat forces. The WPA was intended to restrict the president's power, not enhance it.
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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It makes no difference how many laws someone breaks if there's no one there to enforce the laws. And who the hell is going to enforce the WPA? Congress? LOL
    What is the penalty for actually violating the WPA?

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What is the penalty for actually violating the WPA?
    There is no penalty because the law is not enforced.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    I believe that air and missile strikes against a sovereign nation should require a declaration of war or, at least, the formal agreement from congress.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Ground troops have been over in Libya for awhile, that is, if you count rogue CIA agents as troops.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    There is no penalty because the law is not enforced.
    Why is that?


    We have a robust legal system and we should use it, not circumvent it

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It makes no difference how many laws someone breaks if there's no one there to enforce the laws. And who the hell is going to enforce the WPA? Congress? LOL
    Kind of Al Gore and the Buddhist monks. "No controlling legal authority."
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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    There is no penalty because the law is not enforced.
    There's no penalty, because the law hasn't been broken.

    What some of you don't seem to realize, is that before the war powers act was passed, there were no restrictions on the president's power to wage war.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no penalty, because the law hasn't been broken.

    What some of you don't seem to realize, is that before the war powers act was passed, there were no restrictions on the president's power to wage war.
    The WPA is current law and prohibits a POTUS from using the military in a foreign war without consulting w/Congress, and prohibits sustained engagements of more than 90 days without formal Conressional authorization or a declaration of war.

    Obama may have broken that law, because I don't recall him ever consulting w/Congress when he launched missile strikes against Libya.

    But whether he breaks the law is irrelevant for all practical purposes, because the WPA is much like the laws against hiring undocumented workers--it is seldom, if ever, enforced.

    The US is a plutocracy, so if a President's waging of the war is consistent w/the interests of oil companies, hedge funds, etc., the President is allowed to do anything he wants, even if it's illegal.

    A POTUS can only be impeached for violating the WPA if in doing so he harms US corporate interests, because (w/the possible exception of Kucinich), Congress' allegiance is to those interests.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The WPA is current law and prohibits a POTUS from using the military in a foreign war without consulting w/Congress, and prohibits sustained engagements of more than 90 days without formal Conressional authorization or a declaration of war.
    The WPA states that the president must consult Congress, within 48 hours of deploying troops.

    Obama may have broken that law, because I don't recall him ever consulting w/Congress when he launched missile strikes against Libya.

    But whether he breaks the law is irrelevant for all practical purposes, because the WPA is much like the laws against hiring undocumented workers--it is seldom, if ever, enforced.



    The US is a plutocracy, so if a President's waging of the war is consistent w/the interests of oil companies, hedge funds, etc., the President is allowed to do anything he wants, even if it's illegal.

    A POTUS can only be impeached for violating the WPA if in doing so he harms US corporate interests, because (w/the possible exception of Kucinich), Congress' allegiance is to those interests.
    Obama didn't break the law. face it.

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