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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Umm I have opposed the Libyan intervention from the beginning. Try reading.



    Different situations call for different solutions. And I never called for us to inject ourselves into a war in either Libya or Cote d'Ivoire, and certainly not to take sides. I called for a peacekeeping force to PREVENT a war in Cote d'Ivoire.

    But rather than make this thread about me, why don't you try to stay on the subject. Especially when you apparently agree with me, and you're just being an ass for fun.
    LOL...that was the objective in Libya. How did that turn out?

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    LOL...that was the objective in Libya. How did that turn out?
    There was already a civil war in Libya when we intervened. "Preventing a war" might have been the political spin, but that was never the goal. When our policy was regime change in Libya and Gaddafi wouldn't go peacefully, by definition we were ENCOURAGING a war by aiding the rebels.

    I called for intervention in Cote d'Ivoire before there was a major war, in order to prevent said war. Not the same situation. Now why don't you stay on the subject at hand instead of trying to make this about me or about Cote d'Ivoire.
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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The War Powers Resolution, Title 50, Chapter 33, para 1541, part c, point 3:




    1. There was no declaration of war.
    2. There was no specific statutory authorization, unlike the Iraq War II.
    3. There was no national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.


    QED.
    There's too much precedence to support Obama's use of the War Powers Act. Let's face it, he didn't break any laws.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's too much precedence to support Obama's use of the War Powers Act. Let's face it, he didn't break any laws.
    Well I agree that there is precedence for what he did, but that just means that others broke the law as well.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Politically compelled to choose the damned-if-you-do in this situation? From the little I gather it may be less of a quagmire than other 'distractions'.
    The preferred alternative to putting US troops on the ground to fight for Al Qeada is to walk away and let Libya disintegrate. Gaddhafi will win, clean up on Al Qeada, and go back to being the trash that he is. Since the US had no reason to be in Libya, has no interests served by staying in Libya, the US should leave.

    Now.

    So what if it makes that idiot in the White House look like a fool? Who are we trying to keep that secret from, anyway?

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Not at all worried of a successful outcome (in my role as neocon, not a right winger). That would be stellar. But on what planet do you predict a successful outcome?
    On what planet is "success" defined?

    Is it success when the US removes Gadhaffy from the list of the living?

    Then what?

    Then the US faces the prospect of the terrorst Muslim Brotherhood vying for control of Libya with Al Qeada. Is the US supposed to hope for an outcome like the Kilkenny Cats? Or should Obama chose sides, again?

    One cannot claim success until one defines success.

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's too much precedence to support Obama's use of the War Powers Act. Let's face it, he didn't break any laws.
    No he didn't. Congress did when they abdicated their Constitutional responsibility by passing the War Powers Act. But, since Obama did go to war under that illegal law, that kind of makes him an accessory, don't you think?
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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's too much precedence to support Obama's use of the War Powers Act. Let's face it, he didn't break any laws.
    It makes no difference how many laws someone breaks if there's no one there to enforce the laws. And who the hell is going to enforce the WPA? Congress? LOL

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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Do you guys honestly believe Qadaffi is in total control? If so I have some swampland in Florida you might be interested in.
    With all due respect, Gadhafi has regained the upper hand, not because of inherent advantages his dictatorship possesses, but largely because of the gross incompetence of those opposing him. Had the anti-Gadhafi forces had even minimally competent leadership, they would be doing much better. Instead, their level of political and military incompetence has been breathtaking. That they have squandered the enormous opportunities given to them by NATO's air support, including previous periods of close-air support, is astounding. That they have made no efforts to give Libya's people incentives to support them reveals a near total absence of foresight. An offer of amnesty requires no political risks whatsoever. But no such offer was made. They offered no visionary document outlining what a post-Gadhafi Libya would look like and stand for. In short, they have given Libya's peoples and tribes little reason to support them.

    In the end, it is their incompetence that is leading to their setbacks. Today, they do not enjoy the broad support of Libya's people precisely for the reasons stated above. Their military operations lack even basic elements of strategy. Not surprisingly, MSNBC reports:

    Government soldiers and rebel gunmen battled in the streets of a key front-line city Saturday after the Libyan military used shelling and guerrilla-style tactics to open its most serious push into opposition territory since international airstrikes began. NATO airstrikes, meanwhile, hammered at Gadhafi's ammunition stockpiles and armored forces, destroying 17 tanks...

    Recapturing the city would give the Libyan military a staging ground to attack the rebels' main stronghold, Benghazi, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) farther east along the coastal highway. Moammar Gadhafi's forces were approaching Benghazi when they were driven back by the international air campaign launched last month to protect civilians and ground Gadhafi's aircraft.


    As noted previously, I would strongly oppose any U.S. troops being sent to Libya to compensate for the rebels' political and military inadequacies. No critical U.S. interests are involved. There is no compelling reason the U.S. should wage Libya's revolution, much less for individuals who have demonstrated very little political and military competence.
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    Re: US may send ground troops to Libya

    I'd like to see something friendly and positive arise from this situation, but I think that's an extremely low percentage bet.

    This is an internal issue, not an international crisis. If the rebels hadn't "spontaneously" risen up before they were capable of taking effective action to remove the regime they wouldn't have been chopped up so badly.

    The mil units defecting to the rebels, the country would have been ripe for an Egypt-style military coup in support of *freedom for the people*. All they had to do was maintain the rage for a few months, and prepare and organise behind the scenes before lynching Omar. As it stands now, the whole opposition is disorganised and whatever the issue, there is probably some heavy infighting going on inside the rebel camp

    Its a total fiasco

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